Game 17 in 2021: Cowboys @ Pats

[XLIX]

Besides summer is not football weather.

Yeah that's crazy that they actually held an opening Sunday in August one year. There was no week 1 Thursday night football back then but if something like that happened today, you would have a season opener on August 28!

 

[Triumph]

The two bye system was an obvious attempt for 18 view weeks but the Labor Day viewership was poor so the league felt the need to "grant" fans the last weekend of summer.

Besides summer is not football weather.

(Great work on the research and a superior post)

Youre talking about a labor day start in 1989.



Nobody wears the mullet anymore and much has changed in 31 years. Baseball stinks and people want football.

 

[patsfanincleveland]

Youre talking about a labor day start in 1989.

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Nobody wears the mullet anymore and much has changed in 31 years. Baseball stinks and people want football.

Go away

Clueless isn't a good look.

 

[Vindicate]

The NFLPA is dumb as hell. I don't know if they have a divided room or what. But I fail to see why they would agree to this. 16 games is already a boatload. Did they negotiate a single game addition to contract negotiations, if that makes sense? Furthermore... What does that this mean for every other contract hammered out before 17 games? Are players suddenly fine with the idea of getting less per game by the nature of adding a game?

 

[Triumph]

Go away

Clueless isn't a good look.

If theres one thing that the NFL can do and that is turn a profit.

My money is on them and not somebody in Cleveland drawing the schedule out on a napkin picking his nose .

 

[Biffins]

17 games is such a joke.

16 was the perfect number.

I guess all season records (passing, rushing, TDs, catches, sacks etc) will all be under threat now.

 

[XLIX]

I guess all season records (passing, rushing, TDs, catches, sacks etc) will all be under threat now.

NFL season records are already a joke. It is a different game from what we saw 5 years ago, let alone 50.

 

[jmt57]

I guess all season records (passing, rushing, TDs, catches, sacks etc) will all be under threat now.

That has already been the case for a very long time, for both season and career stats.

The season has already evolved from 12 games to 14 to 16.

The bigger factor is that tinkering with rule changes to encourage the passing game and more points being scored has made career numbers meaningless. It has also resulted in longer careers for players.

• Example #1: Vinny Testaverde retired ranked #6 all-time in passing yards.
• Example #2: Kerry Collins retired ranked #9 all-time in passing yards.
• Example #3: Philip Rivers ranks #5 all-time in passing yards. He was a starter for 15 seasons, but ranked in the top-five in season passing yardage just five of those 15 years. If he typically was not a top-five yardage passer during his career, how does one justify him being top-five all time?
• Example #4: Eleven players have thrown for 50,000 yards; nine of them played all or most of their career in the last two decades, and seven were still playing as of 2019.
• Example #5: Steve Largent and James Lofton both retired as the career leader in receiving yards; neither are in the top-10 now.
• Example #6: Jim Brown was once considered to be the greatest football player of all time, with a career rushing total that would never be matched; that number is no longer even in the top-ten.

 

[jmt57]

So do all the players get an extra pay check? (For those that do not know, the players get paid only during the regular season, so 16 checks).

I would assume that if you make them play another game, then everyone would make 1/16th more. How would that work with the salary cap?

Or are they playing this extra game for free? (I wouldn't be happy about that if I was a player).

My understanding is that the NFLPA agreed to an extra (real) game in exchange for one less exhibition preseason game. The salary would simply be divided by 17 checks rather than 16.

Since the salary cap is based on a percentage of league revenues, the NFLPA may have been thinking that with an extra real game revenues (both stadium and television) would increase, resulting in more $ for the players down the road.

 

[Biffins]

That has already been the case for a very long time, for both season and career stats.

The season has already evolved from 12 games to 14 to 16.

The bigger factor is that tinkering with rule changes to encourage the passing game and more points being scored has made career numbers meaningless. It has also resulted in longer careers for players.

• Example #1: Vinny Testaverde retired ranked #6 all-time in passing yards.
• Example #2: Kerry Collins retired ranked #9 all-time in passing yards.
• Example #3: Philip Rivers ranks #5 all-time in passing yards. He was a starter for 15 seasons, but ranked in the top-five in season passing yardage just five of those 15 years. If he typically was not a top-five yardage passer during his career, how does one justify him being top-five all time?
• Example #4: Eleven players have thrown for 50,000 yards; nine of them played all or most of their career in the last two decades, and seven were still playing as of 2019.
• Example #5: Steve Largent and James Lofton both retired as the career leader in receiving yards; neither are in the top-10 now.
• Example #6: Jim Brown was once considered to be the greatest football player of all time, with a career rushing total that would never be matched; that number is no longer even in the top-ten.

That was very useful. Thanks!

 

[Galeb]

Well, yeah. Endless growth is the true religion of western society. Try suggesting that growth isn't always a good thing, and duck.

A system that requires the constant acceleration of consumption of a finite resource is necessarily self-terminating. If the current economic system doesn't radically change, we will not survive as a species.

 

[Pape]

My understanding is that the NFLPA agreed to an extra (real) game in exchange for one less exhibition preseason game. The salary would simply be divided by 17 checks rather than 16.

That just doesn't seem right or fair to me... The fair way to do it would be to add an extra game check... Its not like they players are getting paid for exhibition games...

 

[Galeb]

That just doesn't seem right or fair to me... The fair way to do it would be to add an extra game check... Its not like they players are getting paid for exhibition games...

That's just the structure of the payment. The players get a certain % of the revenue regardless of how many checks are written.

 

[Pape]

That's just the structure of the payment. The players get a certain % of the revenue regardless of how many checks are written.

I get that. Think the NFL is getting paid more for offering up 17 regular season games? I do. That increase should be passed on to the players.

 

[BobDigital]

They are hell bent on destroying the NFL.

Reducing the pre season games that are vital for roster building and preparation for the upcoming grind of regular season play will lead to even more injuries. Practice time and hitting was already diminished in the last CBA negotiations. The regular season is long enough already. Lost of guys are banged up trying to cross the 16 game finish line.

I don't mind limiting the preseason. The only people who will be effected are low draft picks and free agents who want to showcase their skill set to the world. All you really need is one preseason game to warm up.

What I found is going to 17 games. Before that a player could only play a maximum of 20 games a year. And that was only 8 teams. This year 12 teams played 20 games a year due to the new rules and now it will be 21 games. Until they can make it 22 by going to an 18 game schedule. But why stop there?

Let's stretch it out to 24 regular seadon games. Player safety? Bah!

 

[festy1986]

Youre talking about a labor day start in 1989.

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Nobody wears the mullet anymore and much has changed in 31 years. Baseball stinks and people want football.

You ain't been outside if you think no one wears a mullet anymore. That ****s back in vogue.

 

[XLIX]

The percentage of revenue going to the players increased by 1.5 percentage points in exchange for this concession. There were other minor things like extra off days or something like that.

The extra money is a big deal. They are getting a bigger slice of a bigger pie. I believe once the League is past Covid losses, including Covid’s impact on future salary caps, we will see the caps rapidly approaching $300 million.

 

[BTTA]

A system that requires the constant acceleration of consumption of a finite resource is necessarily self-terminating. If the current economic system doesn't radically change, we will not survive as a species.

Some of my clients are scientists doing the thinking on this. Inevitable collapse seems to be the consensus, but what that looks like varies quite a bit. There are some self-limiting features that may cause enough erosion of economic activity that will keep us from completely destroying the web of life, which will allow us to survive, albeit in smaller numbers and in a dramatically scaled down economy for a few centuries.

 

[Galeb]

Some of my clients are scientists doing the thinking on this. Inevitable collapse seems to be the consensus, but what that looks like varies quite a bit. There are some self-limiting features that may cause enough erosion of economic activity that will keep us from completely destroying the web of life, which will allow us to survive, albeit in smaller numbers and in a dramatically scaled down economy for a few centuries.

I don't know of any credible experts that think economic limiting factors will be what keeps us from damaging the biosphere to the point where it can't support civilization. Would appreciate any sources you could provide on that front.

My understanding of the general consensus of non-political experts on the topic, is that the only plausible ways that we don't wipe ourselves out completely is by luck, i.e. AI saves us, or much more likely that the coming catastrophe merely kills most of us and that a small number of people survive to carry on civilization. The other, extremely unlikely way we survive is by people working together to live in harmony with each other and the biosphere... worse odds than winning the lottery and getting struck by lightning on the same day.

We have been blessed with an unprecedented period of climactic, tectonic and solar stability for over 5000 years. Even if this continues and we somehow managed to stop damaging the biosphere today, the damage we've caused will still create great challenges to civilization in the immediate future.

As bleak as this sounds, I hold out hope for winning the lottery and getting struck by lightening on the same day... an occurrence far more likely than having been born.

 

[luuked]

The NFLPA is dumb as hell. I don't know if they have a divided room or what.

Of course they have a divided room. How can they not ?

They have to balance the longterm suggestions of a successful few members (elite + middle class) with the shortterm thinking of many more players who are out of the league within their first 3 years.

The league will always have the leverage in negotiations because they are only interested in the long term. In that they are united.