TMZ reporting the passing of Kobe Bryant

[primetime]

You messed up the formatting lol but here's a good article on that whole apology that essentially functioned as an admission, in certain ways. It's an incredibly unique thing, as the one nonprofit guy there discusses.

Wrestling With Kobe Bryant’s Forgotten Apology

(I'll also add that consent is a very difficult ethical question that courts fail to be able to parse for many reasons.)

 

[mikey m]

...and a great athlete... and most likely a criminal. Handshakes don’t cut it for me.

Most likely a criminal? Please never sit on a jury.. or have kids ideally.

 

[fightingirish595]

You messed up the formatting lol but here's a good article on that whole apology that essentially functioned as an admission, in certain ways. It's an incredibly unique thing, as the one nonprofit guy there discusses.

Wrestling With Kobe Bryant’s Forgotten Apology

(I'll also add that consent is a very difficult ethical question that courts fail to be able to parse for many reasons.)

I have seen it. Didn’t he say he believes it was Consensual but that he understands her view that it wasn’t? I don’t see how that’s an admission.

also edited the previous one to make it legible

 

[mikey m]

You messed up the formatting lol but here's a good article on that whole apology that essentially functioned as an admission, in certain ways. It's an incredibly unique thing, as the one nonprofit guy there discusses.

Wrestling With Kobe Bryant’s Forgotten Apology

(I'll also add that consent is a very difficult ethical question that courts fail to be able to parse for many reasons.)

Whatever implications can be made from that apology, that was absolutely a stand-up statement that showed genuine concern for the young woman and shame for whatever level of wrongdoing he committed. I respect the hell out of him for it. How many stars would simply hire a team of lawyers to demonize the woman and tear her life apart?

 

[primetime]

Whatever implications can be made from that apology, that was absolutely a stand-up statement that showed genuine concern for the young woman and shame for whatever level of wrongdoing he committed. I respect the hell out of him for it. How many stars would simply hire a team of lawyers to demonize the woman and tear her life apart?

To be fair, they demonized the woman and tore her life apart before that to keep her from appearing in court. The apology came after the legal clearance. But still, it's unique, and I don't think it was disingenuous. I do think Kobe felt a legitimate moral conflict after the fact, even if he probably did believe the encounter was consensual at the time.

 

[primetime]

I have seen it. Didn’t he say he believes it was Consensual but that he understands her view that it wasn’t? I don’t see how that’s an admission.

also edited the previous one to make it legible

There are separate legal and ethical questions there. If he did come to believe his sexual partner at the time didn't think it was consensual, even though he believed it was, isn't that a problem? Leaving aside the courts and whether such a thing is prosecutable as a crime, he's admitting that he was party to a sexual act where the other party didn't commit to some or all of it. The fact he's admitting to it and apologizing for it, even after the courts cleared him, is the unique part. Most people wouldn't feel that ethical quandary, and if they did then they wouldn't voice it. For a lot of people, these issues only matter if they get punished for them by the cops.

Kobe was a weird guy, in a good way for the most part.

 

[fightingirish595]

There are separate legal and ethical questions there. If he did come to believe his sexual partner at the time didn't think it was consensual, even though he believed it was, isn't that a problem? Leaving aside the courts and whether such a thing is prosecutable as a crime, he's admitting that he was party to a sexual act where the other party didn't commit to some or all of it. The fact he's admitting to it and apologizing for it, even after the courts cleared him, is the unique part. Most people wouldn't feel that ethical quandary, and if they did then they wouldn't voice it. For a lot of people, these issues only matter if they get punished for them by the cops.

Kobe was a weird guy.

ehhh he acknowledged that he was apart of a sexual act that the other side felt wasn’t consensual. He clearly stated he believed it was. So it’s a he said/she said

 

[mikey m]

There are separate legal and ethical questions there. If he did come to believe his sexual partner at the time didn't think it was consensual, even though he believed it was, isn't that a problem? Leaving aside the courts and whether such a thing is prosecutable as a crime, he's admitting that he was party to a sexual act where the other party didn't commit to some or all of it. The fact he's admitting to it and apologizing for it, even after the courts cleared him, is the unique part. Most people wouldn't feel that ethical quandary, and if they did then they wouldn't voice it. For a lot of people, these issues only matter if they get punished for them by the cops.

Kobe was a weird guy.

Still maintain that it was a very respectful apology when he knew that it could damage him.

Aside from that, it appeared (to me ateast) that he lived a pretty damn admirable life, bunch of charity work, extremely devoted father, etc. But sure, let's focus on his one big mistake from nearly 2 decades ago. Damn Cs fans.

 

[Joey007]

Still maintain that it was a very respectful apology when he knew that it could damage him.

Aside from that, it appeared (to me ateast) that he lived a pretty damn admirable life, bunch of charity work, extremely devoted father, etc. But sure, let's focus on his one big mistake from nearly 2 decades ago. Damn Cs fans.

It’s only inevitable!

 

[TheRainMaker]

He's not in the thread anymore so can we please refrain ... thank you

That person’s username is ironic as they are always pissing someone off.

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

If you are a celebrity and can afford a chopper stay away from S-76.
HeliHub.com Accidents

It’s one of the safer helicopters around. Few of those accidents were related to mechanical malfunction. The Kobe crash may not be due to mechanical malfunction either.

 

[IcyPatriot]

It’s one of the safer helicopters around. Few of those accidents were related to mechanical malfunction. The Kobe crash may not be due to mechanical malfunction either.

Doesn't seem to be ... sadly they all should be alive.

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

Assuming (and I know what that means) it’s the one I saw, looks like a completely different locale than the news feeds that we know to be the crash site.

The one I saw literally looks like someone crashed in the Grand Canyon....

There’s one video going around that says it’s the Kobe crash but it’s an old crash. I don’t think there’s a real one.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

How fast would a helicopter like this typically be traveling? I know a commercial airplanes are 600 mph or so. I imagine a lot slower?

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

So I listened to it and if I'm understanding correctly, he said twice he was at 1400 feet and was given permission to move west by the female on the voice but the Male said he was too low to make that path and upon verifying that to the pilot it was too late?

It's crazy to me a pilot could be ai incompetent to take a flight path without visually seeing what hes doing without the proper information amd fly into a small hillside.

That really makes me mad

The controller is saying he’s too low to “flight follow.” Essentially the controller’s radar cannot see him. This is fairly common for helicopters and not really an issue. The question is whether the pilot could see where he was going. If he ends up in a cloud at low altitude it can be a problem.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

God. Kobe just died and his wife/kids lost him and another family member and a couple users here actually decide to attack him about past charges? Can't even wait a day? This + the behavior after our loss in the WC is near sickening. Not to mention the thread laughing at KC Chiefs and looking like a sore loser.

25%-30% of this board should be ashamed for everything post WC.

RIP Kobe.

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

How fast would a helicopter like this typically be traveling? I know a commercial airplanes are 600 mph or so. I imagine a lot slower?

There’s some ADS-B data here showing they went about 100 before diving or falling at the end. This model probably can’t do more than 150.

Kobe Bryant believed dead in helicopter crash | Flightradar24 Blog

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

So the video of it tailspinning to the ground and exploding is NOT of the same accident?

Because the video I saw they certainly didnt crash at 185 mph

If it’s this video:



Then, no that’s old. Not Kobe.

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

Doesn't seem to be ... sadly they all should be alive.

I don’t know at this point. Flying around terrain in bad weather is recipe for a problem. If the pilot went IFR than they are only coming out at an airport which is why he would be reluctant. He was almost certainly supposed to bring him to a place without an airport. Another words going into the clouds intentionally which is normally safe would mean not taking Kobe to wherever he wanted to go. But obviously at some point safety is more important than completing the job. Most likely his employer had guidance on weather.

Generally this sort of weather isn’t as dangerous to helo’s because they have the ability to slow down, or stop, or land almost anywhere.

The ADS-B data isn’t what you would expect if he just flew into a mountain. It shows a steep fall and increasing airspeed. That is more like a fall out of the sky.

However I’m not sure how reliable that data is. I don’t know if it suffers from inability to transmit a signal at low altitude. It could also be a combination of both. Poor visibility, flight into a power line or something, then falling. The fake Kobe video going around is a helicopter that hit a zip line, that’s nearly impossible to see though.

And of course some mechanical failure is also a possibility.

 

[fightingirish595]

the shock value on this is through the roof. I can’t sleep. My mind is racing. I have tears in my eyes. I’m at a total loss