[Wk 11 vs Oak Practice News]: Malcom Brown back at practice! Branch limited

[PatsWickedPissah]

I do

 

[long distance]

Good to see big boy hungry

 

[bbobbo]

Do we think this is Altitude sickness?

it's highly likely....
.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

While I agree that there is no single "LB" that offenses need to pay special attention to, the Pats seem to be getting by okay with who they have.

Trey Flowers has been taking some OLB duties. Chung has been playing something like 35% of his snaps in an LB role ("star"), and Roberts and Van Noy have been making some great plays here and there. Harris even had a PD against the Broncos (any coverage play that Harris makes is kind of a big deal for him).

HT is certainly missed, though.

Good write up MM. Semi surprised about Chung's snap count in the Star role being that high. I know the Patriots have been using, occasionally, a "425" (or more aptly put is the 43Chung) as a base against an offensive lineup that one would expect a more standard 43 personnel.

I'd love to see stats on how often this "43Chung" has been employed on first down and what offensive lineup types are the 43Chung being used against ("standard" offensive lineups?). I tell you what, if a "standard" offense can't have rushing success against the 43Chung then the Patriots D starts out with a built in edge.
(yes I am throwing the terms around a bit too loosely ).

 

[supafly]

Good write up MM. Semi surprised about Chung's snap count in the Star role being that high. I know the Patriots have been using, occasionally, a "425" (or more aptly put is the 43Chung) as a base against an offensive lineup that one would expect a more standard 43 personnel.

I'd love to see stats on how often this "43Chung" has been employed on first down and what offensive lineup types are the 43Chung being used against ("standard" offensive lineups?). I tell you what, if a "standard" offense can't have rushing success against the 43Chung then the Patriots D starts out with a built in edge.
(yes I am throwing the terms around a bit too loosely ).

Chung has certainly been versatile this season. According to PFF, he has lined up as a safety only 6.7% of the time, with 57.7% of his reps coming as a CB.

So, I’m assuming that other (approx.) 1/3 of the time he’s considered a straight up LB. Definitely an important piece of the defense.

Patrick Chung is New England Patriots’ defensive Swiss Army Knife - Pats Pulpit Patrick Chung is New England Patriots’ defensive Swiss Army Knife — Pats Pulpit

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

Chung has certainly been versatile this season. According to PFF, he has lined up as a safety only 6.7% of the time, with 57.7% of his reps coming as a CB.

So, I’m assuming that other (approx.) 1/3 of the time he’s considered a straight up LB. Definitely an important piece of the defense.

Patrick Chung is New England Patriots’ defensive Swiss Army Knife - Pats Pulpit Patrick Chung is New England Patriots’ defensive Swiss Army Knife — Pats Pulpit

Thanks for the info Sup. I wonder how much teams have called a run with Chung lining up at the LB position. Obviously his play at LB has been used against ??? offensive personnel/lineups. But I'm a little concerned for Chung's health at that position if offenses are lined up with bigger personnel (though the Patriots have quite a large amount of beef along the the front 4).

Interesting note: while this official designation means little you have to go all the way back to the Tampa game to see Chung listed in the official gamebook as a starter. Jordan Richards is the official "starting" S since Tampa. Of course Chung is in the 85 to 90 percent of snaps while Richards is I think in the 20 to 25 percent range.

 

[maineman209]

I'm pretty sure that oxygen is only a part of it. Your body does compensate -- you up your pulse rate and heart rate and breathe more frequently -- and, of course, they have oxygen masks available. (Googling, I ran across an interesting claim that the haemoglobin saturation curve is shaped so that there isn't much drop-off in blood-oxygen levels below about 2300 meters.)

Hydration is very important too (Mayo and Gronk both mentioned being very dry in the mouth, which is actually quite an extreme sign). One reason is just that the air at altitude is drier, so you lose more moisture in exhalation.

But a doctor friend says that there is more to it than that. According to her, the altitude has a diuretic effect. That seems right from my experience (it explains why long air travel is dehydrating, however much water you chug).

And (also my experience) sleep is affected. I sleep much more lightly and fitfully at altitude.

I'm pretty sure that most successful professional athletes consciously regulate their breathing (and, thus, heart rate), and I know that successful amateur distance runners do, since I was one (well, relatively "successful" for a 40-year-old ex-smoker, anyway).

I trained myself to breathe from my diaphragm, and to find a rhythm of strides per breath-cycle for various speeds, in order to maintain my target pace between mile markers - a critical thing for races of 10 miles or more. For marathons, I was able to string together at least 20 consecutive miles within about 3 seconds of my target pace, even adjusting for hills. Comparing notes with other runners who I regularly crossed finish lines close to, they all did pretty much the same thing.

This also helped me monitor my energy levels during a training run or a race so that I could have a realistic idea of how to manage my finish.

Anyway, I imagine that football players do something similar between plays, and perhaps even during them at times.

 

[PatsFan2]

Center David Andrews abusing sick time??

 

[luuked]

I trained myself to breathe from my diaphragm, and to find a rhythm of strides per breath-cycle for various speeds, in order to maintain my target pace between mile markers - a critical thing for races of 10 miles or more. For marathons, I was able to string together at least 20 consecutive miles within about 3 seconds of my target pace, even adjusting for hills. Comparing notes with other runners who I regularly crossed finish lines close to, they all did pretty much the same thing.

This also helped me monitor my energy levels during a training run or a race so that I could have a realistic idea of how to manage my finish.

Anyway, I imagine that football players do something similar between plays, and perhaps even during them at times.

Explains why I never was able to go sub 3:20h with all my amateurish prep.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

it's highly likely....
.

Really? They're only 400' higher than Mt. Washington.

More easily fatigued/breathless, sure. But altitude sickness? I doubt it. From Wikipedia:


Altitude sickness, also known as acute mountain sickness (AMS), is a negative health effect of high altitude, caused by acute exposure to low amounts of oxygen at high altitude.

Although minor symptoms such as breathlessness may occur at altitudes of 1,500 metres (5,000 ft), AMS commonly occurs above 2,400 metres (8,000 ft).[1][2] It presents as a collection of nonspecific symptoms, acquired at high altitude or in low air pressure, resembling a case of "flu, carbon monoxide poisoning, or a hangover".[3] It is hard to determine who will be affected by altitude sickness, as there are no specific factors that correlate with a susceptibility to altitude sickness. However, most people can ascend to 2,400 metres (8,000 ft) without difficulty.

 

[long distance]

While I agree that there is no single "LB" that offenses need to pay special attention to, the Pats seem to be getting by okay with who they have.

Trey Flowers has been taking some OLB duties. Chung has been playing something like 35% of his snaps in an LB role ("star"), and Roberts and Van Noy have been making some great plays here and there. Harris even had a PD against the Broncos (any coverage play that Harris makes is kind of a big deal for him).

HT is certainly missed, though.

Good write up MM. Semi surprised about Chung's snap count in the Star role being that high. I know the Patriots have been using, occasionally, a "425" (or more aptly put is the 43Chung) as a base against an offensive lineup that one would expect a more standard 43 personnel.

I'd love to see stats on how often this "43Chung" has been employed on first down and what offensive lineup types are the 43Chung being used against ("standard" offensive lineups?). I tell you what, if a "standard" offense can't have rushing success against the 43Chung then the Patriots D starts out with a built in edge.
(yes I am throwing the terms around a bit too loosely ).

Chung has certainly been versatile this season. According to PFF, he has lined up as a safety only 6.7% of the time, with 57.7% of his reps coming as a CB.

So, I’m assuming that other (approx.) 1/3 of the time he’s considered a straight up LB. Definitely an important piece of the defense.

Patrick Chung is New England Patriots’ defensive Swiss Army Knife - Pats Pulpit Patrick Chung is New England Patriots’ defensive Swiss Army Knife — Pats Pulpit

This is more of a re-watch stuff but nice to see the virus spreading..

Just a note that not all Chung's “LB“ line ups are necessary “star“ position. Some (or much?) of it seemed like his regular inside SS/LB. When Pats use a clear “star“ position its more Richards, M.Flowers, also D-Mac vs TB. I wanted to do a proper re-watch of all “star“ plays but have to wait for some more time. Maybe someone else can take a look beforehand.

The biggest surprise re. Chung this yr for me was him lining up so much at nickel CB (esp. after Rowe went out) . since JJ is also doing well this yr there but the trust in him doesn't go over 40%. It probably had to do more with Pats DL struggles and injuries to help against run than JJ's play that showed substantial improvement and was praised by BB more than once..

In any case, the grooming of JJ into trusted nickel corner this yr is one of the most important roster developments in view of future secondary.. If the grooming of Travis and D.Jones behind the scenes is going well as well Pats will be stacked going into next season. I do hope they can extend (or re-sign) Bademosi!

 

[maineman209]

Explains why I never was able to go sub 3:20h with all my amateurish prep.

LOL!

Well, I went from 4:30+ to ~3:45 (at age 40) within a year,and eventually down to 3:12 (before blowing out my knee doing speed work). The thing for me was that, especially in 10k races, I ran (for short distances) beside a lot of people (even high-schoolers) who didn't seem to regulate their respiration rate rhythmically at all and had a much more difficult time finishing.

 

[Lee144]

Isn't this backwards? I would expect the gauge to measure the difference between the atmosphere and the inside of the ball... so at elevation, it will take less air in the ball to bring it to 12.5. Or am I missing something?

Or they could just use Nitrogen to inflate the balls and not worry about ambient temps/pressure etc

 

[Sfpat]

Or they could just use Nitrogen to inflate the balls and not worry about ambient temps/pressure etc

Nitrogen is impacted by temp/pressure the same as air, which by the way is 78% N2

 

[Lee144]

Nitrogen is impacted by temp/pressure the same as air, which by the way is 78% N2

The first part of your statement is actually incorrect. Nitrogen is less likely to react to air temp/pressure variations due to the absence of water which results in fewer instances of deflation or inflation based on temp/location. It's been used in the racing industry forever due to this very reason and is used daily in aviation.

Nitrogen vs Air In Tires - Why Nitrogen in Tires

 

[Sfpat]

Nitrogen is an ideal gas. It obeys the ideal gas law. Nitrogen is used in race car tires because the expansion/contraction is more predictable than air due to the absence of water. To quote " Water causes air to be inconsistent in its rate of expansion and contraction. So, a humid race in the southeast United States or a dry race in the desert western United States could make for unpredictable tire pressures if "dry" nitrogen were not used. "

Why don't they use normal air in race car tires?

 

[Arialgg]

Really? They're only 400' higher than Mt. Washington.

More easily fatigued/breathless, sure. But altitude sickness? I doubt it. From Wikipedia:


Altitude sickness, also known as acute mountain sickness (AMS), is a negative health effect of high altitude, caused by acute exposure to low amounts of oxygen at high altitude.

Although minor symptoms such as breathlessness may occur at altitudes of 1,500 metres (5,000 ft), AMS commonly occurs above 2,400 metres (8,000 ft).[1][2] It presents as a collection of nonspecific symptoms, acquired at high altitude or in low air pressure, resembling a case of "flu, carbon monoxide poisoning, or a hangover".[3] It is hard to determine who will be affected by altitude sickness, as there are no specific factors that correlate with a susceptibility to altitude sickness. However, most people can ascend to 2,400 metres (8,000 ft) without difficulty.

Seems accurate. I have vacationed in Banff, Whistler, several places in CO- always been fine... then my most recent stay, we stayed in Telluride, which has an elevation of near 9000 ft..& add to that, we were off-roading @ elevations 13,000 ft & higher....within about 48 hours of arrival I started getting nauseous...head aching, fatigued..realized I was suffering from altitude sickness. (It's truly awful) They recommend drinking lots of water, and do not push yourself- if you feel fatigued, rest. I was there for less than two weeks, my body never acclimated, symptoms only left when I returned to less than 8000 ft. Residents say it can take up to 3 months to get acclimated. (@ 8000 +)
I wouldn't think Andrews is suffering from altitude sickness...pretty sure it would have affected him more quickly- showing up a week in seems off.

 

[Mack Herron]

 

[turkeyneck]

What's with Andrews?

 

[RobertWeathers]

I love Colorado . Almost moved there.