Dolphins eye Caserio for GM

[SVN]

Greg A. Bedard ?@GregABedard 21m
Maybe Caserio's tired of having Belichick, on some picks, ignore the scouting department's advice. But it is his castle.

Christopher Price ?@cpriceNFL 24m
Perception of Caserio around lg from many people I've talked to is that he's something of a blank slate outside of Pats organization.

Christopher Price ?@cpriceNFL 24m
Talked to 3 people last yr at combine about him as possible GM candidate & they all said they really don't know much about him.

Christopher Price ?@cpriceNFL 23m
IMO, there's something to idea of him going through process to see what it's like. New experience.

Jeff Howe ?@jeffphowe 38m
Why would Caserio be interested? More money and power with the Dolphins than he'd have with the Patriots.

 

[PATS68]

No one has been fired.[/QUOTE

A lot of change wouldn't you agree and fast?

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

Hopefully this is a practice interview and/or pushing our front office for a better commitment.

 

[PATS68]

Greg A. Bedard ?@GregABedard 21m
Maybe Caserio's tired of having Belichick, on some picks, ignore the scouting department's advice. But it is his castle.

Bingo! A couple of his guys left the nest and they go against the grain IE draft WR's first round who are big time impact players. I don't see BB drafting Thomas in Denver and making a bold move and moving up in the draft to grab Jones.

 

[SVN]

Greg A. Bedard ?@GregABedard 21m
Maybe Caserio's tired of having Belichick, on some picks, ignore the scouting department's advice. But it is his castle.

Bingo! A couple of his guys left the nest and they go against the grain IE draft WR's first round who are big time impact players. I don't see BB drafting Thomas in Denver and making a bold move and moving up in the draft to grab Jones.

And what has ATL done since drafting jones which the pats havent ?

 

[signbabybrady]

Feels like the wheels to the bus are coming off in Patriots land! Maybe BB was a little pissed they lost that game and he is on the warpath! Change might be good.

I would like to see BB give more power to whoever helps picks the players. I am starting to think his way of thinking is setting the team back. Josh goes to Denver drafts a stud WR, the Falcons GM who used to be on the Pats staff also drafts a stud WR. I don't see BB drafting those players and I think that is where the friction is between BB and his understudies.

Denver is in the SB but I think Manning has more to do with that and the Falcons can barely win a playoff game and both teams successes and failures are built on a lot more than just the two stud WRs.

Not to mention BB brought in Moss, drafted Gronk, and to a lesser extent a young Deion so its not like he doesnt try and find these kinds of weapons too.

If you are looking for that type of player you may or may not get it this offseason I think that will be determined entirely by what BB feels he can get from Gronk going forward and what he thinks of the rookies futures. If in all cases he does not feel he has a reliable threat than I promise you he will make it a priority to get one.

I think you and people hoping for this might not get what you want though as he probably has a good opinion of the rookies and likely thinks at least one can be a big contributor. And I dont think there is much choice but to rely on Gronk at least one more year based on how the contract is set up. But ultimately this is BBs decision and in BB we trust.

 

[PATS68]

And what has ATL done since drafting jones which the pats havent ?

Has more to do with the coach and Jones is already one of the best WR's in the game.

 

[Kontradiction]

Yeah, this wouldn't be good for both the Pats and Caserio. Caserio has done a solid job overall here so he would be missed. For Caserio, it's a bad move. Kraft has forgotten more about how to be an owner of a professional franchise than Ross will ever know. If I was Caserio and I wanted to take another job for a shot at a promotion, Miami isn't the job I would take. On top of everything BradyFTW listed, you also have probably the worst, most shark-like media in the country. Seriously, if you think New England sports media is bad, give the Miami radio shows during football season a listen. Hell, even give them a listen during basketball season. They were talking about breaking up the Heat and firing Erik Spoelstra when they were 8 games into the 2010 season. That same year, they went to the Finals, lost, then won the Finals two years in a row following. They're horrible. So yeah...

1. Horrible owner
2. Not a very good team
3. Not a good cap situation coming up
4. Horrible media

I'd definitely say no. Then again, I already live somewhere warm and I'm not Caserio.

 

[Patsrock]

No one has been fired.[/QUOTE

A lot of change wouldn't you agree and fast?

3 coaches left and seems to me Pats were not surprised by any of them.


Knew Scar was retiring. Knew Godsey was following O'Brien. And the timing of Pepper Johnson announcement seemed to indicate it was known too.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Feels like the wheels to the bus are coming off in Patriots land! Maybe BB was a little pissed they lost that game and he is on the warpath! Change might be good.

I would like to see BB give more power to whoever helps picks the players. I am starting to think his way of thinking is setting the team back. Josh goes to Denver drafts a stud WR, the Falcons GM who used to be on the Pats staff also drafts a stud WR. I don't see BB drafting those players and I think that is where the friction is between BB and his understudies.

Josh McDaniels got fired from Denver. Atlanta finished 4-12 this year. In the last 4 years the Pats have been to 1 Super Bowl, 2 additional AFC Title Games, and finished 14-2 in the other year. How is Belichick's way of thinking setting the team back???

Atlanta made a huge trade for a WR against BB's advice. No other high draft picks come in during the subsequent 2 years. WR gets hurt. Team finishes 4-12. Pats have a zillion players -- all-pros -- get hurt this year and finish 12-4 and in AFC Title Game. BB doesn't spend on top end talent but he spends to salary cap - the extra money is spent on the middle and bottom end of the roster so that when the team gets hurt, they won't lose a beat. That played out perfectly this year. Atlanta chose star power over depth and got crushed when star power got hurt. Pats chose depth over star power and were able to finish in the top 4 of the 32 clubs this season.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

the plusses:

1) it's 71 degrees right now
2) the owner has deep pockets
3) there are no state income taxes
4) items 1-3 are appealing to free agents as well
5) the fan base is more loyal than you think, considering they've been so bad for so long
6) good stadium situation /revenue

I'd think he'd turn it down, but there are some positives (unlike Cleveland, for example)

 

[varjao]

the plusses:

1) it's 71 degrees right now
2) the owner has deep pockets
3) there are no state income taxes
4) items 1-3 are appealing to free agents as well
5) the fan base is more loyal than you think, considering they've been so bad for so long
6) good stadium situation /revenue

I'd think he'd turn it down, but there are some positives (unlike Cleveland, for example)

Also, after so many years being crushed by the Patriots, the other franchises from this division sooner or later will think something like "The Pats should be doing things the right way".

Jets already started the process of copying the business model from the Patriots, the Dolphins is a mess, they made the worst contract of the last off-season but they are getting better no one can deny that, baby steps or not, maybe changing things in a top-down approach can make them competitive in a 3 years window who knows.

It's not the best opportunity on the market, but there aren't many others, definitely I don't think it's a downgrade, if he gets the firepower and authority he doesn't have in NE of course. Also managers like to fix things, it's when they show what they are capable of. Miami maybe presents a good scenario for that, it's not like Cleveland, Titans, jaguars, where you don't even know where to start cleaning the mess.

 

[SVN]

Has more to do with the coach and Jones is already one of the best WR's in the game.

Doesnt matter. They didnt do anything which the pats didnt.
One WR doesnt make a difference in the end. Team is a sum of parts. ATL had no excuse of falling apart this yr and they did . They mortaged their future for a WR and didnt build roster depth . Pats survived because of the roster depth. Easy to get carried away with all these explosive WRs and I would love to have them but not at the price dmitroff paid. And he paid it dearly this yr.

 

[DarrylS]

Feels like the wheels to the bus are coming off in Patriots land! Maybe BB was a little pissed they lost that game and he is on the warpath! Change might be good.
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While change might be good, missed the "wheels coming off" stuff though, for many teams this is true but not for the Patriots...

 

[SoCal Pmen]

Wasn't Nick just with Belichick at the Senior Bowl? I would have to think the two of them discussed a plan for career growth and the fact that he would be interviewing with the Dolphins. We just don't know what tone that discussion took i.e. was it an encouraging one from BB like he had with McDaniels leaving for Denver or was it more contentious (Mangini/Jets)?

 

[PATS68]

Josh McDaniels got fired from Denver. Atlanta finished 4-12 this year. In the last 4 years the Pats have been to 1 Super Bowl, 2 additional AFC Title Games, and finished 14-2 in the other year. How is Belichick's way of thinking setting the team back???

Atlanta made a huge trade for a WR against BB's advice. No other high draft picks come in during the subsequent 2 years. WR gets hurt. Team finishes 4-12. Pats have a zillion players -- all-pros -- get hurt this year and finish 12-4 and in AFC Title Game. BB doesn't spend on top end talent but he spends to salary cap - the extra money is spent on the middle and bottom end of the roster so that when the team gets hurt, they won't lose a beat. That played out perfectly this year. Atlanta chose star power over depth and got crushed when star power got hurt. Pats chose depth over star power and were able to finish in the top 4 of the 32 clubs this season.

Drafting 250+ LB's who can't cover and the middle of the field which has been wide open for the last several years. Look at the lack of INT's by our LB's in a passing league. Why is BB drafting players to stop the Bus, Marion Butts and so on? Those days are long gone my friend, but for some reason he keeps drafting those types of players. Collins has been a breath of fresh air.

Only drafting one true edge rusher in 14 years in Chandler Jones again in a passing league.

The love of the overly fat D-linemen who again is waiting for the Bus and Marion Butts to come crashing through that line. Seymour is the last DT who could move and get to the QB. Again we are not in the early 2000's and it is a passing league.

HOF QB and you could only name 4 players he has been given. Branch, Welker, Moss, and Gronk. Why isn't one of the best QB's of all time not surrounded year in and year out with the best talent?

Parcells drafts were key to helping those teams win those Super Bowls. TY, Willie, Teddy, Milloy, and Ted Johnson.

 

[varjao]

Drafting 250+ LB's who can't cover and the middle of the field which has been wide open for the last several years. Look at the lack of INT's by our LB's in a passing league. Why is BB drafting players to stop the Bus, Marion Butts and so on? Those days are long gone my friend, but for some reason he keeps drafting those types of players. Collins has been a breath of fresh air.

Only drafting one true edge rusher in 14 years in Chandler Jones again in a passing league.

The love of the overly fat D-linemen who again is waiting for the Bus and Marion Butts to come crashing through that line. Seymour is the last DT who could move and get to the QB. Again we are not in the early 2000's and it is a passing league.

HOF QB and you could only name 4 players he has been given. Branch, Welker, Moss, and Gronk. Why isn't one of the best QB's of all time not surrounded year in and year out with the best talent?

Forgot to mention reaching constantly in the draft.

I love BB, but with all the ammo he had in the 2011 NFL draft, the fact that he didn't nail in that selection + the busts he drafted in 2012 explains why this team still has a lot of needs. This is a setback.

 

[Patsrock]

Drafting 250+ LB's who can't cover and the middle of the field which has been wide open for the last several years. Look at the lack of INT's by our LB's in a passing league. Why is BB drafting players to stop the Bus, Marion Butts and so on? Those days are long gone my friend, but for some reason he keeps drafting those types of players. Collins has been a breath of fresh air.

Only drafting one true edge rusher in 14 years in Chandler Jones again in a passing league.

The love of the overly fat D-linemen who again is waiting for the Bus and Marion Butts to come crashing through that line. Seymour is the last DT who could move and get to the QB. Again we are not in the early 2000's and it is a passing league.

HOF QB and you could only name 4 players he has been given. Branch, Welker, Moss, and Gronk. Why isn't one of the best QB's of all time not surrounded year in and year out with the best talent?

Parcells drafts were key to helping those teams win those Super Bowls. TY, Willie, Teddy, Milloy, and Ted Johnson.

Parcells was not in charge of the draft in 1996 when Tedy Bruschi and Milloy were drafted. In fact Belichick was the one who wanted Milloy.


Also say the Pats did what Atlanta did and traded
2011
1st-#28 which turned into Chandler Jones in 2012 and Shane Vereen
2nd-#60-which turned into #73 Steven Ridley and #138 Marcus Cannon
4th-#125 which turned into 2nd rd 2012 Tavon Wilson

2012
1st-#31 which turned into #25 Hightower
4th-#126 which was traded to move up to get Hightower

So Pats would have given picks that turned into Chandler Jones, Shane Vereen, Ridley, Cannon, Wilson and Hightower.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Drafting 250+ LB's who can't cover and the middle of the field which has been wide open for the last several years. Look at the lack of INT's by our LB's in a passing league. Why is BB drafting players to stop the Bus, Marion Butts and so on? Those days are long gone my friend, but for some reason he keeps drafting those types of players. Collins has been a breath of fresh air.

Only drafting one true edge rusher in 14 years in Chandler Jones again in a passing league.

The love of the overly fat D-linemen who again is waiting for the Bus and Marion Butts to come crashing through that line. Seymour is the last DT who could move and get to the QB. Again we are not in the early 2000's and it is a passing league.

HOF QB and you could only name 4 players he has been given. Branch, Welker, Moss, and Gronk. Why isn't one of the best QB's of all time not surrounded year in and year out with the best talent?

You're complaining about his drafting record over the last 14 years? The team has gone 163-61 over that 14 year stretch, including 3 Super Bowl wins, 2 additional AFC Titles, 3 additional AFC Title Game appearances, only 3 seasons of missing the playoffs, and only one losing season. Yes, it's a QB league and Brady is a darn good one. Yes, there is free agency. But you can't get those results without good drafting.

They've only drafted 3 LBs in the 1st 4 rounds during his entire tenure with the Pats. While you may not like Mayo and Hightower, they have been effective players even though they can't cover tight ends. They spend more time in sub packages than in base to compensate for that anyway -- they've spent more capital on DBs than anywhere else.

I'm not trying to say BB's perfect. Agree that it's taken way too long to get someone like Collins in here. And his record for drafting the above DBs isn't exactly great (Samuel, McCourty, maybe the group of Meriweather, Wilson and Sanders being the success stories [edit: Dennard too]). But if these are problems you get with BB, I'll take it.

And not to take things too literally, but while maybe "you" can only name Branch, Welker, Moss, and Gronk as "players Brady has been given", I wasn't aware that Brady is only given pass catchers and isn't given blockers, running backs, or a defense so Brady doesn't have to be perfect every time. I'd like to think Brady has been given Light, Mankins, Dillon, Faulk, Ridley, Vareen, Blount, Gaffney, Edelman, Hernandez (ugh), Solder, Vollmer, Koppen, Neal, Brown, and Woodhead just on offense during this time. But apparently those guys aren't good enough to be considered weapons for Brady.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Forgot to mention reaching constantly in the draft.

I love BB, but with all the ammo he had in the 2011 NFL draft, the fact that he didn't nail in that selection + the busts he drafted in 2012 explains why this team still has a lot of needs. This is a setback.

He got 3 defensive starters out of 2012 -- Jones, Hightower, and Dennard. Good ones. So Hightower was playing out of position because of injuries. Is that really the issue here? Is 3 starters from a draft really not good enough??? Does Tavon Wilson, Jake Bequette, and Ras-IR-Dowling really ruin everything? That's asking for God to be drafting, not a human.