Is the GOAT playing like one?

[JMC00]

WOW, I knew his stats were bad, but didn't realize they were that bad. Brady simply looks uncomfortable out there. We can talk about new, non-dependable weapons all we want, but Brady looks like Blaine Gabbert out there with some of this throws. Does anyone really think Gronk is going to come back and magically fix all of this? We finally have a solid defense and now the offense is mediocre.

He's not 30th and he's 7 percent less than his career avg on completion percentage this year.

Having your receivers lead the league in drops doesn't help it either.

 

[Snake Eyes]

I would agree that Brady has been off but has the entire offense not been off?

Why would you expect magic from Brady when the other guys are also messing up?

 

[Sticky Caulk]

Why would you expect magic from Brady when the other guys are also messing up?

I wouldn't expect 'magic' but maybe we should expect him to act like a QB who's been there, done that.

We always blame the o-line and say they should play better when Brady gets pressured, but that simply wont happen versus the best d-lines in football. That's why they are considered the best.

We will continue to see that issue until the running game is used correctly. This is mainly McDaniels issue to address at this point. Hopefully the Ridley injury was just way more important than we realized. Play action wastes time when it isn't working, and it simply wasn't yesterday.

Brady has to stop throwing at his receivers as hard as he can, no matter the distance. I expect few to agree with me, but sometimes Brady makes things a lot worse for his receivers. This goes back to the Super Bowl with the high fastball to Welker.

One moment that really stuck out to me was a throw were Brady threw the ball inside when Dobson went out. He got open. Who knows what the read should have been, but Dobson was clearly going out at the point Brady launched the ball. If he were to have ran inside, he wouldn't of had a play, more than likely.

The receivers are messing up at a higher than normal ratio because of youth and being on a new team. Brady really has progressed with them a lot. That was shown off in the Atlanta game. I think the Cincinnati defensive pressure was too much, and knocked over the card house.

 

[Kontradiction]

The rookies will get most of the blame because Brady never makes any mistakes. Ever! His poop needs to be bronzed! No wait, it comes out bronzed!

Considering I've blamed Brady for a few bad throws this year, this post makes zero sense. How many drops did the WR's have yesterday? How many of those drops would have moved the chains?

 

[crypto]

Brady has at least one hilariously bad game every season, incl. the SB ones. Who cares

 

[AQPE]

OK, so Brady wasn't good yesterday, and hasn't been "primo" all year. In his 14th year in the league, would it be a shock if he isn't now and never will be again the QB he was 5 years ago, or even last year? I don't think any of us should be shocked, but even if all that is true, so what?

The offense needs balance. They didn't have it yesterday, running 6 times in the second half was not going to cut it. Missing Gronk, Ridley, Vereen, FE#83, and <him> yesterday hurt them more than Brady's inaccuracy. With a defense like Cinci's it is crucial to both be able to attack them on the edges and make them be less decisive than they are normally. They didn't mix plays well, too many negative plays, and not enough speed and power outside the tackles. That just isn't winning offensive football against a D like Cinci's on a day like yesterday, and even with that, if they punch it in when they get to the 1 yard line instead of settling for the FG, I think we may have seen a different outcome.

I love Brady as much as everyone does, and if you read the OP's posts, and most everyone's posts in this thread, I don't think we are doing anything more than raising a legitimate question about whether he is going to rebound. He's given us good reason to worry about this, especially with all the unknown quantities this year, but personally I'm still expecting him, and the team to peak at the end of the year. He's also given me plenty of reason through these 5 games to be confident about that. The only thing that has happened since Game 1 that truly worries me about Game 17 is losing Vince.

I suspect some of this is driven by what Manning is doing. We fall into the trap because of the media hype about him, but until I see him do it differently than he has his entire career (including in college), I'll believe that Peyton will end this year doing what he always has, piling up the regular season stats, crumbling when it gets cold.

Calm down and keep the faith!!

 

[PatriotSeven]

I wouldn't expect 'magic' but maybe we should expect him to act like a QB who's been there, done that.

We always blame the o-line and say they should play better when Brady gets pressured, but that simply wont happen versus the best d-lines in football. That's why they are considered the best.

We will continue to see that issue until the running game is used correctly. This is mainly McDaniels issue to address at this point. Hopefully the Ridley injury was just way more important than we realized. Play action wastes time when it isn't working, and it simply wasn't yesterday.

Brady has to stop throwing at his receivers as hard as he can, no matter the distance. I expect few to agree with me, but sometimes Brady makes things a lot worse for his receivers. This goes back to the Super Bowl with the high fastball to Welker.

One moment that really stuck out to me was a throw were Brady threw the ball inside when Dobson went out. He got open. Who knows what the read should have been, but Dobson was clearly going out at the point Brady launched the ball. If he were to have ran inside, he wouldn't of had a play, more than likely.

The receivers are messing up at a higher than normal ratio because of youth and being on a new team. Brady really has progressed with them a lot. That was shown off in the Atlanta game. I think the Cincinnati defensive pressure was too much, and knocked over the card house.

This is something I do disagree with. No way in hell should he stop taking that zip off the ball. Especially when you consider redzone situations and when we get back our short yardage and interior passing game.

The rookies need to learn how to handle that, and time his passes. You start floating balls out there, bad things happen.

I don't see us moving away from the type of offense we had. I see us extending it with a vertical passing game. We're only limited to that right now just because of our injuries to our slot guys and TE's.

But I wouldn't trade our previous fast paced offense for what we have right now. I will easily trade it for what we had PLUS the vertical threat which our rookies will give us.

But to have all that, it's going to require precision and zips from Tom that hit so hard it feels like they get gut punched in short yardage situations. It's the only way to really beat some of the coverage in those situations and what allowed him to do it so consistently over the years.

Just stop letting the ball get past your hands. Learn to catch bullets. Quick release and ball velocity are completely intertwined, so if he slows down, both of those things slow down. That's going to cause issues in the pocket, with batted passes and fumbles, as well as in the air on the catching side.

I'd still rather see a drop than an interception.

 

[Soadisthebest]

His best receiver is Edelman.



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[Harrisoned!]

Brady has at least one hilariously bad game every season, incl. the SB ones. Who cares

You kind of care right now because he's already had two of those (vs. NYJ, @ CIN), with just one legitimately good performance to offset (@ ATL).

I don't think there is any magic elixir to fix Brady. Some of it is on him, some is the WRs but most of it is both of them. The timing is horrible and this is a system that desperately relies on timing and coordination. The Dobson route at the end of the game was a perfect example - they had that DB beat either way, the QB and WR just had to be on the same page. Unfortunately Brady thought he should run a flag and Dobson ran a post instead on the option route.

This is one of the few times I wish the bye week came early, but we'll have to fight through this. Gronk's return will really help, but most likely not for 2-3 weeks as he gets assimilated back. Amendola was clearly not right on the page with Brady, which makes sense given his limited availability up to that point. As these guys get on the field more and more, Brady will learn to trust them more and more.

 

[Boomer B]

Brady has not been great, everyone can see that, but part of the blame has to fall on Belichick and McDaniels.

We go into this season with 1st year players in Thompkins, Dobson, and Boyce but we still go with the complicated scheme with option routes, etc.. Forget the bloody option routes. Maybe Brady would be more decisive if he knows that a post means a post, a post corner means a post corner, an in is an in, an out is an out, and a comeback is a comeback.

Once these rookies are comfortable then start giving them option routes and a more complicated scheme. Brady needs to be decisive in his decision making, not taking that extra split second wondering if he is on the same page as the receivers. Hopefully by the 2nd half of the season this train is running at full steam.

 

[Oswlek]

You kind of care right now because he's already had two of those (vs. NYJ, @ CIN), with just one legitimately good performance to offset (@ ATL).

I don't think there is any magic elixir to fix Brady. Some of it is on him, some is the WRs but most of it is both of them. The timing is horrible and this is a system that desperately relies on timing and coordination. The Dobson route at the end of the game was a perfect example - they had that DB beat either way, the QB and WR just had to be on the same page. Unfortunately Brady thought he should run a flag and Dobson ran a post instead on the option route.

This is one of the few times I wish the bye week came early, but we'll have to fight through this. Gronk's return will really help, but most likely not for 2-3 weeks as he gets assimilated back. Amendola was clearly not right on the page with Brady, which makes sense given his limited availability up to that point. As these guys get on the field more and more, Brady will learn to trust them more and more.

Brady wasn't bad against NY, his receivers were dropping balls left and right and couldn't be counted on to run a route. He did as much as he could that night.

He was legitimately terrible yesterday, but it was a good defense, a bunch of injured and/or young guys, limited running assets made even more so by a strange offensive approach and a game plan that appeared to have been drawn up without the benefit of any advanced scouting whatsoever.

One bad game. Let's see how it plays from here.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Is Brady playing like a GOAT?

Well,answer yourself this.....

Would Manning be having an amazing year with this set of receivers?

Switch Brady passing to the Broncos receivers and Manning to the Pats receivers and see who gets all the accolades.

With all respect to the rookies WRs here who are slowly learning and developing you can compare Manning's receiving corps as Caviar and Brady's as Tuna fish.

In other words,a QB is only as good as his receivers speed,smarts,route running and ball handling

 

[Guts]

Is Brady playing like a GOAT?

Well,answer yourself this.....

Would Manning be having an amazing year with this set of receivers?

Switch Brady passing to the Broncos receivers and Manning to the Pats receivers and see who gets all the accolades.

With all respect to the rookies WRs here who are slowly learning and developing you can compare Manning's receiving corps as Caviar and Brady's as Tuna fish.

In other words,a QB is only as good as his receivers speed,smarts,route running and ball handling

Broncos O line is playing lights out to while our line has been inconsistent

 

[Salva135]

Is Brady playing like a GOAT?

Well,answer yourself this.....

Would Manning be having an amazing year with this set of receivers?

Switch Brady passing to the Broncos receivers and Manning to the Pats receivers and see who gets all the accolades.

With all respect to the rookies WRs here who are slowly learning and developing you can compare Manning's receiving corps as Caviar and Brady's as Tuna fish.

In other words,a QB is only as good as his receivers speed,smarts,route running and ball handling

So I assume you give Mark Sanchez a pass last year because all of his offensive weapons were bad? Oh no wait, he simply sucked. Brady made his bones in this league on being able to move the offense with sub-par talent. He's getting too much slack right now despite the offensive turnover. Brady looks awful. Simple as that.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Broncos O line is playing lights out to while our line has been inconsistent

On Sunday Brady had a few snaps where he had a decent amount of time to throw but either threw too early or was not in sync with these receivers who still have issues with catching the ball.

The OL gets a B from me

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

So I assume you give Mark Sanchez a pass last year because all of his offensive weapons were bad? Oh no wait, he simply sucked. Brady made his bones in this league on being able to move the offense with sub-par talent. He's getting too much slack right now despite the offensive turnover. Brady looks awful. Simple as that.

Brady did have sub par talent at WR many years but he always had at least a couple of veterans on the team to help get the others to gel together .....this year he has ALL Rookies Dobson,Thompkins and Boyce who all have little experience and no leadership in that area with only Edelman on a weekly basis to learn from.

 

[Salva135]

Broncos O line is playing lights out to while our line has been inconsistent

The Broncos O-line looks good because Peyton is a master at adjusting protection at the line of scrimmage and delivering the ball quickly. Something Brady used to be excellent at.

 

[Soadisthebest]

The Broncos O-line looks good because Peyton is a master at adjusting protection at the line of scrimmage and delivering the ball quickly. Something Brady used to be excellent at.

Riiiiight. I guess all of a sudden he's awful at it, or maybe it has something to do with the fact that his receivers are rookies and don't have the timing down to make the quick and short passes that Forehead can to his all pro cast of wrs.

 

[FalconHeavy]

Is Brady playing like a GOAT?

Well,answer yourself this.....

Would Manning be having an amazing year with this set of receivers?

Switch Brady passing to the Broncos receivers and Manning to the Pats receivers and see who gets all the accolades.

With all respect to the rookies WRs here who are slowly learning and developing you can compare Manning's receiving corps as Caviar and Brady's as Tuna fish.

In other words,a QB is only as good as his receivers speed,smarts,route running and ball handling

well who gets the blame for that ?? Brady / BB / Kraft ??

 

[Kontradiction]

well who gets the blame for that ?? Brady / BB / Kraft ??

The GM does. That's Belichick.