OT: SI covers Roethlisberger's rampant and unrelenting douchebaggery

[MoLewisrocks]

And sometimes, Mo, I have trouble believing that you have any semblance of social life outside of following football and the Patriots.

LOL snappy comeback considering it's from a guy who posts about 20% more than I do...


Once again, millions of people in the world pay lip service to their employers about something that occurs or occured inside the office. What he did was pay lip service to his employers about something that he does in his free time OUTSIDE of work. I don't care about the fact that he makes millions. It does not make this situation any different. What right does an employee have to tell you what to do outside of work? In my opinion, they have no right to do that if you aren't actually breaking any laws, which Ben was not.

You have a lot to learn kontra if you believe your employer can't do whatever he damn well pleases including can your ass if what you do jeopardizes his bottom line or simply ticks him off...or if you are caught lying to him. And for the record the Steelers added a provision to Ben's 2008 extension that precludes him from engaging in any sort of dangerous off field behavior, legal or otherwise as a means to protect their multi million dollar asset...which is what he was being paid to be.

I sincerely hope that this is just speculation and, if it isn't, you have actual proof of this. I have to believe that if Roethlisberger and Holmes (among others) forced him to walk away then Cowher would have taken one of the many jobs that was offered to him after he left the Steelers. Personally, I'm not as willing to invest time and energy into conspiracy theories as you are. Is it possible that these situations forced Cowher out? Sure. But it's highly unlikely. Cowher just looked like a guy that needed some time off from the stresses of being a professional football coach after 2006. He looked tired and old. Now that he's doing broadcasting, he looks rested and healthy. I prefer to put two and two together.

Cowher couldn't take another job when he walked away from the Steelers because he was still under contract. At that juncture his options were to remain the HC of the Steelers or take a sabatical.

You seem to have as much of a problem with understanding where I'm coming from as efin does. I never once said that Ben hasn't made any bad decisions. In fact he has. The fact that he isn't wearing a helmet is one of them just because of it's sheer stupidity. I feel that way about everybody (which would be thousands, if not millions, of people) that doesn't wear a helmet while riding a bike. However, that is entirely his prerogative and, compared to everything else he's done, it just seems pointless to harp on that and not concentrate on the things the actually DO make Ben a bad person.

The helmet incident simply provides additional context concerning a pattern of behavior that underscores Ben's underlying sense of entitlement, his belief that he can do or say as he pleases without fear of being held accountable, and it underscores he has a propensity to lie as a matter of course whenever he's called to task for his idiotic actions.

 

[Fencer]

C'mon Kontra, everyone knows rape is ok, as long as you wrap your head in a helmet....right? (Whoops, I forgot he does not like helmets)

That's brilliant. Positively brilliant.:youtheman:

 

[captain stone]

Its not an issue of courage. Its an issue of evidence being willfully destroyed. Money opens doors.

Pardon my ignorance, but to what evidence are you referring, and by whom was it destroyed?

BTW, it wouldn't surprise to learn that this evidence was destroyed at the behest of the Rooneys, the most undeservedly ass-kissed owners in sports history.

 

[SpiderFox53]

Pardon my ignorance, but to what evidence are you referring, and by whom was it destroyed?

BTW, it wouldn't surprise to learn that this evidence was destroyed at the behest of the Rooneys, the most undeservedly ass-kissed owners in sports history.

The evidence that is being refered to is all of it. The alleged crime scene wasn't secured by the Police for several hours, sometime the next morning I think, and had been cleaned with bleach.

 

[Kontradiction]

LOL snappy comeback considering it's from a guy who posts about 20% more than I do...

Post count comebacks are pretty lame which is why I shouldn't have expected anything less from you. Considering I work in a telemarketer business which sees extremely slow points during the work day with unlimited internet access, it shouldn't come as a suprise that I'm a regular here. If you don't believe me that your job can increase your activity and post count, then just ask Keegs. You'd be hard pressed to find me on here during a Friday and Saturday night where I'd wager that this isn't the case for you. The time it took me in between replies to you should only highlight that. But this wasn't what I was referring to. I was referring to some of your many ridiculous totalitarian viewpoints when it comes to football and football players. Your willingness to stick to your guns when your counter argument obviously has no juice and is bordering on the ridiculous just drives that point home.

You have a lot to learn kontra if you believe your employer can't do whatever he damn well pleases including can your ass if what you do jeopardizes his bottom line or simply ticks him off...or if you are caught lying to him.

Tell me, Mo, why hasn't he been cut or traded yet then? Is it because the Steelers possibly know that cutting or trading a guy that has won them two Super Bowls over not wearing a helmet while out on a leisurely weekend motorcycle ride (on his own time, and not the team's) would look ridiculous and extreme? We have bingo.

And for the record the Steelers added a provision to Ben's 2008 extension that precludes him from engaging in any sort of dangerous off field behavior, legal or otherwise as a means to protect their multi million dollar asset...which is what he was being paid to be.

And if they followed this to a "T", it would eliminate a ton of basic human functions of everyday life. This would include...

1. Driving a car.
2. Riding a bicycle.
3. Going to the pool and/or beach.
4. Cooking on a stove or grill.
5. Playing leisurely sports such as softball or basketball in the offseason/lay tme.

And last, but not least...

6. Riding a motorcycle WITH or WITHOUT a helmet.

Tell me, Mo, where are the Steelers to draw a line on what is and what is not acceptable "dangerous" offseason behavior? Moreover, who are they to tell him what to do in his everyday life if he isn't breaking a law? As for you, what you're essentially telling me is that you wouldn't be happy with Roethlisberger unless he acted like a complete robot. Personally, I think that's a little much to expect from the guy.

Cowher couldn't take another job when he walked away from the Steelers because he was still under contract. At that juncture his options were to remain the HC of the Steelers or take a sabatical.

He can now though, and has been able to for some time. The fact that he is still a commentator for CBS Sports would seem to agree with my general analysis on the situation more than your's.

The helmet incident simply provides additional context concerning a pattern of behavior that underscores Ben's underlying sense of entitlement, his belief that he can do or say as he pleases without fear of being held accountable, and it underscores he has a propensity to lie as a matter of course whenever he's called to task for his idiotic actions.

Again, I've never tried to make an argument that Ben ISN'T a scumlord. He is. However, I would prefer to concentrate on the things the actually make him a scumbag. The rape/forcefulness accusations against him from numerous females and the fact that he got some poor bastard waiter fired just because he could are what make him a scumbag Taking a ridiculous stance on something that he did or didn't do, which wasn't actually against the law, in his own free time does not make him a scumbag.

 

[ivanvamp]

In a court of law, yes, where you must PROVE BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT.

No, it's proven beyond a *reasonable* doubt, not beyond a *shadow* of a doubt.

Big difference.

 

[cincipatsfan]

We need to get back to the douchebaggery and asshattery

 

[Clonamery]

Post count comebacks are pretty lame which is why I shouldn't have expected anything less from you. Considering I work in a telemarketer business which sees extremely slow points during the work day with unlimited internet access, it shouldn't come as a suprise that I'm a regular here. If you don't believe me that your job can increase your activity and post count, then just ask Keegs. You'd be hard pressed to find me on here during a Friday and Saturday night where I'd wager that this isn't the case for you. The time it took me in between replies to you should only highlight that. But this wasn't what I was referring to. I was referring to some of your many ridiculous totalitarian viewpoints when it comes to football and football players. Your willingness to stick to your guns when your counter argument obviously has no juice and is bordering on the ridiculous just drives that point home.




Tell me, Mo, why hasn't he been cut or traded yet then? Is it because the Steelers possibly know that cutting or trading a guy that has won them two Super Bowls over not wearing a helmet while out on a leisurely weekend motorcycle ride (on his own time, and not the team's) would look ridiculous and extreme? We have bingo.



And if they followed this to a "T", it would eliminate a ton of basic human functions of everyday life. This would include...

1. Driving a car.
2. Riding a bicycle.
3. Going to the pool and/or beach.
4. Cooking on a stove or grill.
5. Playing leisurely sports such as softball or basketball in the offseason/lay tme.

And last, but not least...

6. Riding a motorcycle WITH or WITHOUT a helmet.

Tell me, Mo, where are the Steelers to draw a line on what is and what is not acceptable "dangerous" offseason behavior? Moreover, who are they to tell him what to do in his everyday life if he isn't breaking a law? As for you, what you're essentially telling me is that you wouldn't be happy with Roethlisberger unless he acted like a complete robot. Personally, I think that's a little much to expect from the guy.



He can now though, and has been able to for some time. The fact that he is still a commentator for CBS Sports would seem to agree with my general analysis on the situation more than your's.



Again, I've never tried to make an argument that Ben ISN'T a scumlord. He is. However, I would prefer to concentrate on the things the actually make him a scumbag. The rape/forcefulness accusations against him from numerous females and the fact that he got some poor bastard waiter fired just because he could are what make him a scumbag Taking a ridiculous stance on something that he did or didn't do, which wasn't actually against the law, in his own free time does not make him a scumbag.

Being that selfish and irresponsible and disloyal makes him a scumbag. One day you'll recognize it.

 

[Kontradiction]

Being that selfish and irresponsible and disloyal makes him a scumbag. One day you'll recognize it.

So by your rationale, everybody who pays their employer lip service in one way or another is a scumbag? Nice. I'm pretty sure that you just called the vast majority of posters here scumbags.

 

[Clonamery]

So by your rationale, everybody who pays their employer lip service in one way or another is a scumbag? Nice. I'm pretty sure that you just called the vast majority of posters here scumbags.

Your immaturity was already revealing...time to let it go as I plan to.

 

[TruthSeeker]

The McNulty case looks bogus.

"One of McNulty's coworkers gave a sworn affidavit that McNulty bragged about having consensual sex with Roethlisberger and said that she wanted to have his child."

Either that or the cover-up by the hotel management is widespread. Personally, I think this is more likely. This is why the hotel is also being sued.

 

[Patsfan76]

AN NFL SUPERSTAR'S REPULSIVE BEHAVIOR, THE ULTIMATE - 05.10.10 - SI Vault

A few snippets...







People like him deserve cancer of the aids of the face, not riches and Superbowl victories.

Thank God we don't always get we we really deserve! I understand how upset you are over this, but aren't you thankful that our enemies don't get their way when they wish bad things on us. What Ben did, and has done is wrong. That I can agree with, but I wish nothing bad to happen to him like what your suggesting. As my dad used to say, give a person enough rope, and eventually he will hang himself metaphorically! Ben will not go unpunished. His behavior will eventually catch up to him. One day he may not get off like he has before. The long arm of the law will eventually have the evidence they need to convict, if Ben continues this type of behavior.

 

[TrueBeliever]

Some idiot Steelers fan is actually trying to argue on CBS Sports' forum that the Spygate BS was worse than what Ben did. :bricks:

 

[Patsfan76]

Some idiot Steelers fan is actually trying to argue on CBS Sports' forum that the Spygate BS was worse than what Ben did. :bricks:

Well if all else fails consider the source of this persons argument. This person is obviously wearing the rose colored BR glasses.

 

[Kontradiction]

Your immaturity was already revealing...time to let it go as I plan to.

When unable to form a rational argument or counter argument, go with the old ad hominem. Please explain how me not thinking it's a big deal that he didn't wear a helmet vs. thinking it is a big deal that he possibly raped multiple women and got a waiter fired from his job just because he could is immature. I would absolutely love to hear this. While you're at it, form a counter argument to my post to Mo. If you can't do that, then what the hell did you come into this thread for in the first place?

 

[Clonamery]

When unable to form a rational argument or counter argument, go with the old ad hominem. Please explain how me not thinking it's a big deal that he didn't wear a helmet vs. thinking it is a big deal that he possibly raped multiple women and got a waiter fired from his job just because he could is immature. I would absolutely love to hear this. While you're at it, form a counter argument to my post to Mo. If you can't do that, then what the hell did you come into this thread for in the first place?

The point several people were making is that everything in the article makes him a bad guy not just some. YOU tried to qualify his behavior on the whole no-helmet issue, some chose not to.

Okay? We get it: he's a bad guy.

You want to argue with Mo, have fun. You want to argue with me, grow up.

 

[Kontradiction]

The point several people were making is that everything in the article makes him a bad guy not just some. YOU tried to qualify his behavior on the whole no-helmet issue, some chose not to.

No it does not. Two of the three snippets in this post make Roethlisberger a bad guy. The helmet issue only makes him an idiot, but it doesn't make him a scumbag. So far I've been able to formulate point after point refuting that while you've only been able to give a synopsis of everything that has occured in this thread, called me immature (which you've yet to back up, so I'm just assuming that you've looked at my profile at some point in time and saw that I was in my early 20's which is the basis for the attack), and then said that you were done with the thread only to come back into it one post later.

Okay? We get it: he's a bad guy.

I've never argued against this. The basis for my argument has been that calling Roethlisberger a scumbag for not wearing a helmet while riding a motorcycle is ridiculous. I've yet to see anybody form a coherent argument otherwise.

You want to argue with Mo, have fun. You want to argue with me, grow up.

Am I missing something here? Or are you not the one pulling the lame, "I'm leaving! Okay I'm back! Grow up! I'm leaving again!", routine? Who's immature now?

 

[MoLewisrocks]

So by your rationale, everybody who pays their employer lip service in one way or another is a scumbag? Nice. I'm pretty sure that you just called the vast majority of posters here scumbags.

Not the VAST majority... probably just a very small but quite vocal minority that includes guys who apparently rationalize if someone has an issue with a player doing something they've readily admitted doing themselves...clearly they must be the ones with the actual problem....

 

[SpiderFox53]

I've never argued against this. The basis for my argument has been that calling Roethlisberger a scumbag for not wearing a helmet while riding a motorcycle is ridiculous. I've yet to see anybody form a coherent argument otherwise.

How about this one? Not wearing a helmet while riding a motorcycle makes him an idiot. Not wearing a helmet while riding a motorcycle after promising the Steelers he wouldn't do this, makes him an idiot that paid lip service to his employer. Not wearing a helmet while riding a motorcycle after promising the millions of people in the Pittsburgh area that he wouldn't do this, makes him a scumbag.

All that said, I agree with you. The helmet thing is nothing compared to the other things he's been accused of.

 

[Kontradiction]

Not the VAST majority... probably just a very small but quite vocal minority that includes guys who apparently rationalize if someone has an issue with a player doing something they've readily admitted doing themselves...clearly they must be the ones with the actual problem....

You can't honestly convince me that you've never given an employer lip service about something in your life. By the way, I'm still waiting for your scintillating response to my last post toward you.