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    Mike Furrey was released by the Lions. If you remember the Lions/Pats game in 2006 you could reasonably say he was the best player on the field. He had nine receptions for 123 yards and 1 TD with Kitna at Qb. He finished that year with 98 catches so he wasn't a one game wonder.

    He missed about half of 2008 on IR due to a concussion, a decision he disagreed with. He has veteran savvy along with good hands and route running and Belichick has to like that type of player so stay tuned.

    You could make an argument that he was as good as Welker in 2006.
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    You mean 2006 ;)

    I'd much rather pick up a guy like him for cheap $ than waste guaranteed $ to a WR in the 1st or 2nd round.
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    furrey is like 31.......I'd rather go for a guy like shaun macdonald although I would probably bring them both in for a workout........special teams is also a consideration........
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    I know! I read that and edited it. I think I was reading about his 98 catches and my brain damage kicked in and made me write 1996. At any rate, he seems like he fits into the category of a Belichick type move. He can still move the sticks.
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    First off--he's not officially a free agent yet, although it sounds like he will be in due time.

    If Furrey's willing to come cheap, he might be a good pickup. That said, I'd still rather have a good young WR than a WR on the wrong side of 30.
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    We talked about both players before. One blurb I read is interesting:

    Shaun McDonald started at wideout opposite Calvin Johnson in Week 7, but Mike Furrey wound up with far more production.
    McDonald caught one pass for -7 yards to Furrey's 89 yards on six grabs.

    One game but they were fighting each other for PT when it happened.
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    He was released and is a FA according to this story in the Detroit Free Press:

    He wasn't a Lion anymore.

    A few minutes earlier, he had hoisted a wooden beam on his shoulder and said: "They just released me."

    Furrey was with his family at Metro Airport about 9 a.m. Tuesday, about to board a flight to Tampa, when his wife's phone rang. It was Lions general manager Martin Mayhew.

    "He just said that he was calling the guys that he was going to release, and I was one of them," Furrey said. "That was it. Short. Very short."
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    Technically you're right since it isn't official until 2/9
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    id probably rather have mcdonald too, but keep in mind, he will probably be more expensive. furrey probably wont have that many good offers, so will come on the cheap. i think we should make a run at furrey. he seems very difficult to cover in open space
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    I'd take both if we have the roster spots.

    There are some wide receivers I like in this draft - and in just about every area of the draft. I think its a must to grab one of them thinking long term, but as we know, wide receivers that contribute overnite via the draft are the exception (Branch) not the rule.

    Furrey would be a good fit if he comes real cheap, but I don't think he's providing what this team needs most at that position, which is a 3B to Gaffney's 3A, a guy who can get to the intermediate part of the field faster than Jab.
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    If we can find the next David Givens in this draft that would be sweet. :D Otherwise I'm pretty dead set against drafting one early. Unless Maclin or Crabtree were to fall in our laps & even then I'd be hesitant.
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    I also think that MacDonald would be more expensive but I would rather have Furrey. He had great production with a decent QB (Kitna) 98 receptions and 1086 yards in 14 starts in 2006 and 61 receptions for 664 yards in just 10 starts in 2007. His durability was the only issue for me but if we could add him pretty cheap then he would push Gaffney to play better.
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    I do not think we need any more guys working the short routes in our offense, I think we need a WR that can work the intermediate box, between Moss and Welker. Ideally a TE, but Watson has not proven he can catch consistently.
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    Is he another Welker? Hard to say. I think if they pick him up then they're essentially saying they've given up on TE production.

    Wouldn't mind seeing them add a deep threat.
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    I'm not sure why we need the poor man's Wes Welker on the team when we actually have Wes Welker. There's not room for both of them on the field. Bobby Engram or Devery Henderson make much more sense.

    If Furrey and Welker are both on the field, all the defense is going to do is pack the short zone with nine players in running situations and use a base 4-3/3-4 on passing downs, making our running game very tough to execute. We'd be doing the exact opposite of stretching the field.

    It would be sort of like signing Matt Hasselbeck.
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    I'd take the 2006 starts with a grain of salt. Mike Martz offenses always put up numbers like that.
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    Not sure how you think that Devery Henderson makes any sense. The guy hasn't ever been able to step up when needed. Not when Stallworth went down. Not when Horn went down. Not when Colston went down. Every other WR on the Saints has done better than Henderson when needed. Colston. Patten. Lance "friggin" Moore.

    Bobby Engram is an injury waiting to happen, unfortunately. He's only had 1 season in his last 5, where he's been fully healthy. Not to mention that he's 36 now.

    There are better options out there for the #2 spot. One of which could be Anquan Boldin, if he's traded.

    As for Furrey, He could play opposite Moss and run the intermediate routes that we are looking for. Its not what he's best suited for, but he can do it.
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    I would not say that almost 100 catches and over 1000 yards is a "grain of salt" to achieve in the NFL. The guys has talent and if he came cheep I think is better then Washington as our 4th WR. Maybe push Gaffney if he comes back to play a bit better and catch the ball:D.

    I doubt it will cost too much at least not near the money that Engram or Devery Henderson would cost us. I like our WR production with the addition of him and a deep threat in the third round of the draft (Louis Murphy, Florida, Derrick Williams, Penn State if there in the third and Mike Wallace, Ole Miss is a sleeper who can get down field in the late rounds).

    I have seen Furrey make DB's look bad at times whenever i watched Detroit play (Thanksgiving like everyone else:D:D:D) but I think we can get him cheap and would be worth the money.
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    1000 yards in a mike martz system, yes, it is. Especially considering he played in all 16 games the next year and only put up 600 yards. He put up 1000 yds that first year because he was a converted Safety and nobody even bothered putting anything above a nicklback on him. They were much more concerned with Roy Williams.


    Teams that lose 12+ games a season put up a lot of passing yards.
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    Wouldn't mind having a punt returner not named Wes Welker or Kevin Faulk, just to keep those guys out of harm's way.
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    How many 1000 yard receivers did Martz have this season in SF??? None, 900 yard receivers???? None, Isacc Bruce had 835 oh wait there is always Bryant Johnson who was just over 500 yards....and he was second on the team. I thought you or I could get a thousand yards in his offense???

    Furrey caught nearly 100 balls when when he was starting at WR, he had more receptions then Williams and like one less TD. I think he was 3rd or 4th in the NFL that season in receptions and was not playing against a nickel corner. He was matched up most of the year against the # 2 corner then when he was getting 5-8 grabs per game they paid more attention to him so trust me I know my football.

    In 2007 Detroit went back to Martz old stomping grounds where he found Furrey to get MacDonald and they also drafted Calvin Johnson third overall I think.

    That is when he was moved more to the slot but was sharing the ball with Williams, MacDonald (who actually led the team in receptions), Furrey and the rookie Johnson. Not one of them had 1000 yards or 100 receptions Williams 64-838, MacDonald 79-943, Furrey 61-644 and Johnson 48-756 they simply spread the ball around is the reason for his drop in production.

    Furrey is a solid receiver who does not mind doing the dirty work as well as the fact we can get this guy cheap I believe.

    Now lets look at your last statement....the Bengals last year 4-11-1ranked 30 in passing yards. Then there is the Browns were were 4-12 and were ranked 31 in passing. Lets not forget about the high flying Lions who at 0-16 they were ranked 24th in the league.

    The Chiefs were 20th in passing, the Raiders were dead last 32 but they had a 5-11 record. The Seahawks at 29th worse in the league and the Rams at 26th round out all the teams who were 11 and 12 loss teams not one cracked the top 20 in passing.
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    Furrey is the guy who volunteered to play safety for the Rams a few years ago because the team had a ton of injuries. (He'd been a two-way player in the Arena League.) Furrey actually became the Rams starter for some of the season. In the past he's been considered a Special Teams ace.

    Nah, not BB's kind of guy...

    Mike Furrey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Great, let's convert him to safety and see if he can stick... :p
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    He can play safety, WR and play on special teams......what is there not to like about this guy:D:D
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    i'd rather address WR in the draft using a day 2 pick. i like Greg Carr anywhere in the 5-7 round range. Consensus Draft Services is projecting him to be drafted in the 7th, but i personally think he'll go earlier. he's listed as 6-6 and 217 so he's not likely to run a great 40, and people will say he "lacks ideal speed." i think he'll be around 4.6-4.7, but that should be good enough for a guy with his size.

    i think he gets a bad rap for a lack of production at florida state, but a lot of that had to do with the horrible QB play. carr's size and great hands make him a spectacular red zone target as well. i think he'd be a steal this late in the draft.

    i've had my eye on him all year and remember seeing him play vs wisconsin. he mad a great one-handed catch at the end of the half in the end zone on a fade route. i'm sure it's somewhere on youtube.
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    NFLDraftScout has him as a UDFA. They knock him for his inconsistent hands, lack of strength, issues getting off the line, and for lack of ball security. Just the bit that I read, he sounds like he's a poor man's version of Devery Henderson in that he just doesn't step up when needed.
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    Here's my late-round WR pick: Mike Wallace*|*Mississippi,*WR*:*2009 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile
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    That's interesting. I've seen a couple of FSU's games and I thought one of Carr's strengths/positives were his hands. I would think with his size he'd be able to be strong enough for the NFL. The thing I really like about him is his size obviously especially in the red zone. As you saw with Fitzgerald tonight when you are tall and can elevate over the CB's who are smaller, the fade route is almost unstoppable. However, you need to have good hands to be able to bring in the ball on those type of throws. I thought he had a good set of hands on him, but I could be wrong. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
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    Furrey was immediately replaced by MacDonald. Why? Because hes not that good.


    No, Martz didn't have any 1000 yard receivers this year, but he got 800+ yards out of the corpse of Isaac Bruce, and he had nothing even close to Kitna at QB.
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    Here we go again:rolleyes::rolleyes:

    I said that Mike Furry would be a guy who would add depth at WR and push Gaffney not start over Moss!! and much cheaper then a lot of FA WR on the market this year.

    Furrey was not immediately replace by a newcomer to the offense he started 10 games in 2007.

    You said "I'd take the 2006 starts with a grain of salt. Mike Martz offenses always put up numbers like that." now you are making excuses why this year his offense did not put up numbers like that??? Oh yea it must have been all Kitna...what a great QB;)
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