Patspsycho
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2) "Occupy a lineman" on a pass play? Again, that makes absolutely no sense. I'm sure you've come across the phrase "occupy the gap" in your time on these boards. Again, you're incorrectly regurgitating it.
Isn't it a fact that in our two-gap system, the offensive linemen are tied up so that the backers can make a play through the gaps? Sometimes they do, sometimes they drop back in coverage, right?
3) Occupying the gap (not a lineman!) is not an excuse to avoid rushing the passer -- nor is it "icing on the cake." If you seriously think there that little emphasis on rushing the passer; then you are just totally clueless. This isn't even up for debate. As before, you are making some semblance of sense when you talk about the need to "set the edge" as a DE.....and then totally abandoning logic when you continue to explain. Never in a million years does that somehow mean there isn't a need for a DE to rush the QB. That's just patently absurd.
First, I don't think we "occupy the gap" because the defensive philosophy has always been two-gap, which means responsibility for more than one gap. So primarily, the defensive lineman occupy the offensive lineman so as to either push him back or disengage (if needed) to fill either the gap on his left or right, if the play appears to be directed to either of those gaps, right? If he occupies a gap right off the bat, he can't cover the other gap.
Also, perhaps you would explain to me that if it was Ninko's sole goal to get to the passer, why he rushes his man straight up instead of pulling one of the countless tricks that a one-gapper would use, such as a swim, spin or rip? I'm not trying to be clever here. Just a question- if you know better than me, feel free to correct me.
Also, I don't mean that it is Ninko's job to never touch the QB. If he manages to get there, great. What I was trying to say was that I didn't think that was his sole task, because then he'd be one-gapping, correct?
EDIT: Putting all the pieces together; you are actually attempting to argue that only elite QBs can beat a defense that plays a prevent in regular situations, and would rather have both DEs "occupy a lineman" rather than actually pressuring the QB. LOL.
No. I was only trying to point out that playing a prevent type of defense may seem frustrating at times, but it does win out in the long run, statistically-wise because very few games are relatively mistake-free. Not sure how you translated that into having DE's only occupy linemen when we've obviously seen Carter and Anderson beat their man quite a few times.
I may have messed up on the terminology and if so, I apologize. I never pretend to be anything other than an educated amateur fan and so stand to be corrected at any time. But that isn't going to stop me from learning more about the game through discussion, and making my fair share of mistakes along the way.