Somehow I don't think giving away draft picks is something BB wants.All Bob needs to do is stay out of BB's way. Give him whatever he wants.
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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Somehow I don't think giving away draft picks is something BB wants.All Bob needs to do is stay out of BB's way. Give him whatever he wants.
I don't know if I'm on any other ignore list, but I'm glad I'm on fnordslmao as if Bob Kraft would do anything for this team he's basically a Jets fan imo what a looser I hope he goes to hell and is raped for 10000000 years, dae agree?
Of course notSomehow I don't think giving away draft picks is something BB wants.
Before the Well's report came out the Pats had seen the actual PSI numbers and therefore knew the Mortensen report of 11 of 12 balls 2 being 2 PSI under was false and the league letter sent by the NFL's Gardi claiming one ball was 10.1 under under too was a lie. The first lie almost certainly came from Goodells staff and the second lie absolutely did. Those two lies should have been attacked by the Pats before the Wells report came out. At that point they had a chance to win the PR war and make it far harder for the league to credible drag TB's reputation through the mud.Kraft could not have done anything to make this outcome different.. he was damned from the onset. The die was cast for #12... and nothing could have made things different.
The NFL would not have allowed him to measure the PSI in the balls..
There is no need for Mr. Kraft to have done anything different, the NFL monitored the inflation rates of the balls last year and refused to release the results.. what does that indicate?? If it supported the contention of Brady/Ideal Gas Law/Experts etc. they cannot release them..
Stop venting about the venting. Your criticism of the Kraft criticism is detracting from our bashing of him. Kraft needs to be bashed -- as often as possible in as many new threads as possible. Perhaps you should have a sticky announcing your displeasure with this so we can have as many Kraft-bashing threads/posts as needed without your interference. Enough is enough.Can't we just get a sticky for Kraft venting? We're coming up on the start of the next season and the 3-5 weekly Kraft bashing threads are gonna start detracting from actual stuff to discuss.
Sign me up for that. Without Bob Kraft would have been the St.Louis Stallions.************, the constant Kraft whining is making this board next to unreadable.
He made some serious mistakes along the way and at times it was disappointing and infuriating, but I largely agree with you. I don't think anything he could have done differently would have changed the outcome one iota. He's the wrong scapegoat. Goodell and the other 31 weren't going to allow anyone or anything to derail their smear campaign. Simple as that. Finally, to me, the most disappointing aspect of the activity toward Kraft here has been the false, revisionist history. He saved this f###### franchise, pure and simple. Yes, Bledsoe, Parcells and others helped, but Bob Kraft saved it.************, the constant Kraft whining is making this board next to unreadable.
Before the Well's report came out the Pats had seen the actual PSI numbers and therefore knew the Mortensen report of 11 of 12 balls 2 being 2 PSI under was false and the league letter sent by the NFL's Gardi claiming one ball was 10.1 under under too was a lie. The first lie almost certainly came from Goodells staff and the second lie absolutely did. Those two lies should have been attacked by the Pats before the Wells report came out. At that point they had a chance to win the PR war and make it far harder for the league to credible drag TB's reputation through the mud.
this is not a let's bash Robert Kraft thread, but it baffles me why the Patriots did not sponsor their own independent findings last year about air levels in the footballs. The corrupt NFL did so but would not release the data as it would verify that balls deflate in cold weather.
I'm frankly scared to comment on the evaluations of the criticism of the criticism with respect to its effect on the bashing...I agree with your analysis. Let's try to get together on this, and other subjects. We are all Patriots fans, yes? Bob deserves tons of credit, but like all of us he's not perfect. I do not believe the NFL expected (or really wanted) him to swoop in, buy the team, build the stadium by himself, and win in unprecedented fashion like this...The league has not really ever been our friend.Stop venting about the venting. Your criticism of the Kraft criticism is detracting from our bashing of him. Kraft needs to be bashed -- as often as possible in as many new threads as possible. Perhaps you should have a sticky announcing your displeasure with this so we can have as many Kraft-bashing threads/posts as needed without your interference. Enough is enough.
Yeah. Although, we do sort of look like the Stallions. Or the Birmingham Americans.Sign me up for that. Without Bob Kraft would have been the St.Louis Stallions.
Um, he vent that vay.Stop venting about the venting. Your criticism of the Kraft criticism is detracting from our bashing of him. Kraft needs to be bashed -- as often as possible in as many new threads as possible. Perhaps you should have a sticky announcing your displeasure with this so we can have as many Kraft-bashing threads/posts as needed without your interference. Enough is enough.
I cannot concur with cretinous chumps who carelessly consider that criticizing the criticism connoting commission of a conceivably conclusive catastrophe constituting capitulation carries calamitous consequences. Capiche?I'm frankly scared to comment on the evaluations of the criticism of the criticism with respect to its effect on the bashing...I agree with your analysis. Let's try to get together on this, and other subjects. We are all Patriots fans, yes? Bob deserves tons of credit, but like all of us he's not perfect. I do not believe the NFL expected (or really wanted) him to swoop in, buy the team, build the stadium by himself, and win in unprecedented fashion like this...The league has not really ever been our friend.
I read sarcasm. My badI'm not sure I understand your question. I want (wanted) him to actively defy them/piss them off instead of folding and kissing their behinds.
How do the patriots attorneys BEG the league office for the measurements not get them and then get told when they finally do that they can't make them public and Kraft do nothing?So you believe a "PR war" would have stopped all subsequent shenanigans by the league office?? Goodell knew what the discipline would be before the Well's Report, all that mickey mouse report did was substantiate what he wanted to do.. it is what the 31 wanted.
How do the patriots attorneys BEG the league office for the measurements not get them and then get told when they finally do that they can't make them public and Kraft do nothing?
The league office is accountable to its owners. Kraft could have changed the dialogue by forcing the league to correct the misinformation.
That's just one thing he could have done.
How do the patriots attorneys BEG the league office for the measurements not get them and then get told when they finally do that they can't make them public and Kraft do nothing?
The league office is accountable to its owners. Kraft could have changed the dialogue by forcing the league to correct the misinformation.
That's just one thing he could have done.
NO one can guarantee what the league would have done or what would have happened if the Pats had taken a different tactic. But we do know that letting blatant lies badly go unchallenged damaged the reputation of Brady and the franchise. I do think that the 11 of 12 Mortensen report gave the league an excuse to make it into a much bigger issue than it first send to be. I do think that lie and the one ball at 10.1 lie in the letter to the Pats certainly threw Brady off stride in the first press conference and set the tone for the rest of this fiasco. I also think that if you let the bully punch you in the face he won't stop until you do something to turn things around.So you believe a "PR war" would have stopped all subsequent shenanigans by the league office?? Goodell knew what the discipline would be before the Well's Report, all that mickey mouse report did was substantiate what he wanted to do.. it is what the 31 wanted.