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  1. tombonneau

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    With McKenzie out, Pats ILB depth is even thinner. They could hope that Appleby pans out as an UDFA, but as Mike Lombardi says, don't confuse hope with a plan. And as we all know BB, he must have a plan, and that will probably include grabbing a vet ILB.

    So who is out on the market, will likely be cut and/or available for a cheap trade?

    I can't really think of any names off the top of my head, but I'm sure there are a few guys worth a look ...
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    How about Adam Seward?:D
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    here is a list of the remaining free agents. Not to sure how up to date this list is, but whats remaining does not look to promising. Hopefully a few good vets will become available when teams start trimming their rosters.

    Scout.com: 2009 NFL Free Agency MLB Rankings

    Is their anyone on the Pats roster currently that can play ILB. TBC maybe. He's got the size. Especially if we sign Taylor. That will make a log jam at OLB.
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    Why not just sign Taylor and move Thomas inside?
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    AD is the best pass rusher on the Patriots, whether JT signs on or not. I just think theres no point taking your best pass rusher and moving him inside especially with the lack of rush last season.
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    Dunno ... seems a bit Little Dutch Boy to me ...
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    Nap Harris maybe? Seems to have the size ...
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    1) I'm not sure I understand the panic. Did anyone expect lots of reps and contributions from our 3C developmental LB draftee? and, yes, we do have the opportunity to sign another ILB if we wish.

    2) Did Bruschi and Guyton get cut? They will take the same reps they were taking before and similar to what they took last year. We have three ILB's. Barring injuries, a 4th would get almost no reps.

    3) Yes, Thomas could move inside if Taylor were signed. The question is whether this would help the team or not. My preference would be to keep Thomas and Taylor outside unless there were an injury to one of the inside backs. But if you think Bruschi and Guyton are useless as starters, Taylor and Woods could start outside.

    4) Why are we talking about a logjam at OLB? I thought we all agreed that Taylor would be a major upgrade. Camp competition would determine who would go. I would expected that we would just keep what we have with the expectation that Redd, Banta-Cain and Woods made much of their contributions on special teams.
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    I was thinking that as well but with the loss of McKenzie I think he is our best bet at ILB next to Mayo because I honestly think Bruschi is just about done.
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    Move Thomas back outside on third down and put Guyton inside.
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    Short term i could see Derrick Brooks playing inside even though he plays outside. I know hes old but might possibly make a difference at back up ILB and bring more leadership.
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    U want a 36 year old LB, who is barely 6 feet and 235 pounds, who has never played the 3-4, come in and contribute..

    I rather bring back Seau.. And I'm joking with that one..
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    Bru, Guyton, and Mayo were likely the plan barring some explosion of talent in that position. I though McKenzie was a project anyway?

    How about Vollmer? Stick him inside, hehe.
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    I don't think they will go into training camp without a couple

    more linebackers.
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    That's certainly true. However, other than the possibility of Jason Taylor, I don't much more than camp fodder and perhaps a JAG or two.

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    How many reps did our #4 ILB get last year. BTW, who was he?
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    I don't think this is a big deal. I do think it enhances Appleby's chances of making the roster ala Guyton. When the pads come on, I'm anxious to see what Appleby looks like.
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    How soon we forget. Of course, Seau was only here for part of the season. I guess we started with Alexander as the #4 as we have for years.

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    I agree that it will be a couple of Jags.
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    Indeed how soon we forget in our attempts to be glib. ;)

    Besides, whoever is #4 is really the de facto #3, as, sadly, Bruschi at this stage of his career is "when" not "if" when it comes to an injury.
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    I don't think there is any panic. However, I personally don't think we can count on a whole lot from either Bruschi or Alexander, so we are definitely a bit thin at the ILB spot with McKenzie's injury. I'm not sure how much he would have contributed right away, but he was certainly an athletic young body.

    I agree with you that I prefer keeping AD at OLB, at least for this year. I think there is enough uncertainty at the OLB position that having one established anchor there (to go with Mayo as the established anchor at ILB) is a better option than loading up at ILB and having OLB being completely up in the air.

    I personally like the idea of taking a look at Napoleon Harris, if he can be brought in for reasonable money. He may turn out to be another Chad Brown/Monty Beisel, but I don't think so. He has nice size at 6'3" 253# and is only 30. Harris and Taylor would be nice short-term additions to the LB corps.
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    I've always liked Nap Harris. I seem to recall us moving up to draft him and bringing the wrong card to the NFL folks and we ended up with Daniel Graham.

    I would like 3 year contracts on both Taylor and Harris. There's plenty of room on the 2010 roster for them not to be one-year solutions. Bruschi, Woods and Banta-Cain are all likely to be gone.

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    Is that what happened? When we traded up in 2002 I was sure it was for Harris (not being as familiar with BB's TE fetish at that time), and was disappointed. Harris hasn't had a stellar career but has had some solid years, and could be a good pickup for us. Of course, in retrospect the card that we were actually bringing up was Ed Reed's. :D
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    To continue the thought, if we somehow signed both Taylor and Harris to 2-3 year contracts then we would have a lineup that looks something like this:

    OLB - Adalius Thomas (6'2" 270#) and Jason Taylor (6'5" 250#) starting, with 6'5" Shawn Crable, 6'5" Pierre Woods, and 6'5" Vince Redd in reserve. I personally would keep Redd over TBC as the 5th OLB. There would be no pressure to rush the kids along in this scenario.

    ILB - Jerod Mayo at WILB with Napoleon Harris at SILB and Guyton backing up both positions, along with Bruschi for veteran leadership and depth. McKenzie would probably replace Bruschi in 2010. Alexander is the odd man out. Appleby goes to the PS. Again, there would be no pressure to rush the kids along in this scenario.

    That would be a fairly solid LB corps. I'd be pretty happy with it compared to what we have now.
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    Are these linebackers still unsigned and can any of them play in the 3-4 defense? I think they're all 4-3 middle linebackers.

    Nate Webster
    Morlon Greenwood
    Paris Lenon
    Napoleon Harris
    Marcus Washington
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    Sounds good to me. If McKenzie can come back from a year of no football ( training camp and season missed ), as our second, third round pick
    (our 6th draft pick overall ), rebuild his knee, learn our complex system and replace Bruschi out of the gate in 2010, that would be a dream come true.
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    Woods is 250. Heavier than out present ILB squad. I think OLB is between Crable and Redd so Woods at ILB is not a bad idea. UDFA Applebee? Worrell Williams of Cal. is 250lbs. He received honorable mention All-Pac-10 notice but did not get a FA try out. He was rated as a mid-round draft pick. He is short at about 6' tall or less but then so is London Fletcher. 23 reps and 4.75 speed.

    Wouldn't that be something if the misfortune of one creates the opportunity for the other (Applebee). He also has the most 3-4 experience.

    As far as Vets. Bobby Carpenter from the 'Boys could be available. Excellent ST guy and back up for Teddy, Mayo and Guyton. Can cover fairly well and has speed. The Boys also have Ellis they could move. Dansby from the Cards can play inside but would cost us big time in CAP.

    DW Toys
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