Tom Brady says he's done "for good"

[Joker]

Manning benefited from Polian changing the offensive rules four years straight as head of the "rules committee". Seems a lot of you suffer from some sort of amnesia.

 

[Steve102]

Manning benefited from Polian changing the offensive rules four years straight as head of the "rules committee". Seems a lot of you suffer from some sort of amnesia.

If you know, then you know.

 

[crawhammer]

Is Tampa a part of Brady's legacy? Of course he won a Super Bowl there. Is it an important part of his legacy? Yeah it was the final "he could win outside of the New England system" piece to the GOAT argument. Is it a huge part of his legacy? No not really.

You're underselling it. Brady's Super Bowl championship in Tampa Bay solidified his legacy. Firstly, he passed Jordan's 6. Secondly, he beat Mahomes, who essentially has to win 8 to break even with Brady now. Thirdly, he won in another uniform with another head coach. It demolished the system argument for good (for any unreasonable hater who had been desperately holding on to it). Finally, it decidedly tilted the Brady vs Belichick debate in Brady's favor (which is why it's being dismissed now as a real thing by team Bill).

 

[Steve102]

Finally, it decidedly tilted the Brady vs Belichick debate in Brady's favor (which is why it's being dismissed now as a real thing by team Bill).

By Brady himself.

No more Team Bill or Team Tom; Team Patriots. Stop dividing.

 

[StrawHatPatriot]

The podcast was glowing with praise. It shows that their relationship isn't broken or anything.

But I don't see how this contradicts the fact that there was tension before?

They are on good terms now, and they obviously never hated each other. This doesn't mean that at the time of their split, they weren't on good terms. There's a reason why:

Brady implied he didn't feel appreciated here several times

Why he didn't ever contradict or silence his own dad when he was talking about their relationship

The book interviews where he admitted he planned to leave even before the 2019 season

Robert kraft himself admitting there was tension... Robert Kraft admits Bill Belichick and Tom Brady need to 'get their egos checked in'

 

[Tunescribe]

You're underselling it. Brady's Super Bowl championship in Tampa Bay solidified his legacy. Firstly, he passed Jordan's 6. Secondly, he beat Mahomes, who essentially has to win 8 to break even with Brady now. Thirdly, he won in another uniform with another head coach. It demolished the system argument for good (for any unreasonable hater who had been desperately holding on to it). Finally, it decidedly tilted the Brady vs Belichick debate in Brady's favor (which is why it's being dismissed now as a real thing by team Bill).

 

[Chevy]

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If you know, then you know.

One of, if not, the greatest soundbites to come out of the Patriots ever!

 

[lancerman]

You're underselling it. Brady's Super Bowl championship in Tampa Bay solidified his legacy. Firstly, he passed Jordan's 6. Secondly, he beat Mahomes, who essentially has to win 8 to break even with Brady now. Thirdly, he won in another uniform with another head coach. It demolished the system argument for good (for any unreasonable hater who had been desperately holding on to it). Finally, it decidedly tilted the Brady vs Belichick debate in Brady's favor (which is why it's being dismissed now as a real thing by team Bill).

You compared him to Manning in Denver.

Manning had 1 title in Indy and 1 title in Denver. He went to the same amount of Super Bowls as well.

Brady has 6 titles in New England and 1 title in Tampa. He also has 9 Super Bowl appearances in New England vs 1 in Tampa.

Is it important, yes, nobody is disputing that. But it's really not comparable to how Peyton Manning is viewed as almost just importantly as a Bronco vs a Colt. Talk to NFL fans and when they think of Brady... they think of the guy in New England who was kicking everyone's ass and part of the big feared dynasty first and Tampa is a part of his story where he proved he could win beyond it. If Montana won in KC that one year, he'd still be remembered as a 49'er predominately.

 

[jal]

Manning's different because he basically had a speedrun of his Colts career on the Broncos. He had a record breaking 04 like MVP season and two Super Bowl appearances including a win where the defense carried him and a loss where he couldn't come up clutch. A lot of that has more to do with what Peyton didn't do in Indy and how he pretty much replicated it in 4 years.

Brady won 6 Super Bowls, went to 9, won 3 MVP's, and was in the conference title game 13 times in New England and part of the greatest dynasty ever. In Tampa he won a ring and went one and done twice and had his first losing season ever. He also was there a year shorter than Peyton was in Denver. It's very different.

Is Tampa a part of Brady's legacy? Of course he won a Super Bowl there. Is it an important part of his legacy? Yeah it was the final "he could win outside of the New England system" piece to the GOAT argument. Is it a huge part of his legacy? No not really. People think Brady and they think the Patriots dynasty and all the Super Bowls and dominance. Tampa is that extra piece at the end where he showed he could win without Bill. It matters but it's the epilogue after he already solidified himself. Manning's career really suffers if you remove Denver. Brady is the GOAT without Tampa, he just got one more kick in the face to hurt his haters arguments in Tampa. With Manning it's a toss up whether people thinking of him in blue or orange. With Brady people think of him in Navy Blue

One and done once (this year). Last year they beat the Eagles in the wild card round. But yes - agreed with the general sentiment - he's clearly a Patriot with a nice epilogue in Tampa.

 

[Bruins29]

Only knock on Welker was he disappeared in the playoffs, Jules Thrived in the playoffs!

Other than the drop VS the giants which wasn’t the easiest catch can you show me where WW “disappeared in the playoffs”

 

[TB12TheGoat]

Only knock on Welker was he disappeared in the playoffs, Jules Thrived in the playoffs!

the drop sucked but it’s a myth Welker disappeared in the playoffs. he would probably have even won SB42 MVP if all the ******** didn’t happen on that final Giants drive

 

[Wozzy]

The podcast was glowing with praise. It shows that their relationship isn't broken or anything.

But I don't see how this contradicts the fact that there was tension before?

They are on good terms now, and they obviously never hated each other. This doesn't mean that at the time of their split, they weren't on good terms. There's a reason why:

Brady implied he didn't feel appreciated here several times

Why he didn't ever contradict or silence his own dad when he was talking about their relationship

The book interviews where he admitted he planned to leave even before the 2019 season

Robert kraft himself admitting there was tension... Robert Kraft admits Bill Belichick and Tom Brady need to 'get their egos checked in'

Have you ever worked at the same company for twenty years? Plus his wife was from and wanted to live in Miami.

Brady was a large part of 6 rings, but that wouldn’t have happened anywhere else.

For two decades he played with the best defenses, best O-Lines, special teams and had good weapons around him.

Football isn’t simply he who has the best QB wins, regardless of fanboy drivel… if that were true Tom would have closer to 23 rings and Eli Manning wouldn’t have two.

 

[PatsWSB47]

Have you ever worked at the same company for twenty years? Plus his wife was from and wanted to live in Miami.

Brady was a large part of 6 rings, but that wouldn’t have happened anywhere else.

For two decades he played with the best defenses, best O-Lines, special teams and had good weapons around him.

Football isn’t simply he who has the best QB wins, regardless of fanboy drivel… if that were true Tom would have closer to 23 rings and Eli Manning wouldn’t have two.

No disrespect but you say the same "fanboy" argument in practically every post on the subject. I'll only say that every year the teams with the best quarterbacks go the deepest in the playoffs. They all gave good coaches and good defenses usually as well. I just think the quarterback is the most important to it. Teams do too. Who gets the most pay?

 

[Wozzy]

No disrespect but you say the same "fanboy" argument in practically every post on the subject. I'll only say that every year the teams with the best quarterbacks go the deepest in the playoffs. They all gave good coaches and good defenses usually as well. I just think the quarterback is the most important to it. Teams do too. Who gets the most pay?

Nick Foles, Joe Flacco, Brad Johnson, Jeff Hostetsler, Mark Rypien, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Eli Manning (twice) went to a Super Bowl and win it. Yeah… every year it’s the superstar QB who wins it.

If Foles didn't win in 2017 because Wentz stayed healthy, then Wentz would have won it... he was odds on favorite in Vegas to win NFL MVP before he got hurt... are any of these ^ guys amazing?

Laughable…

 

[RicoG]

Brady was a large part of 6 rings, but that wouldn’t have happened anywhere else.

For two decades he played with the best defenses, best O-Lines, special teams and had good weapons around him.

Probability wise, it would have been difficult to get anywhere close to 6 rings but you can't say it wouldn't have happened. There's a chance he could have about the same success with some other teams that have been good for most of those same 20 years too such as Steelers and Packers, perhaps Indy, Broncos, 49rs, and Saints, and wherever Andy Reid was coaching.

No question about the defense and special team. But BB diverted much of the budget to them in comparison to other teams and didn't really pay for blockbuster players(Moss was on a discount and a comeback player).

The OLine was good but Brady made them elite. The weapons were average but Brady made them very good. BB is still trying the same formula but it's not working without a QB to elevate the offense.

 

[Wozzy]

Probability wise, it would have been difficult to get anywhere close to 6 rings but you can't say it wouldn't have happened.

Yes I can. I’m not a millennial who thinks just because the Pats made it look easy that it was. This was the early 2000’s when defenders could still level a QB in the pocket. There are only 32 teams, there were very few optimal situations for a QB to land at. If he went to the Cardinals you wouldn’t even know his name.

There's a chance he could have about the same success with some other teams that have been good for most of those same 20 years too such as Steelers and Packers, perhaps Indy, Broncos, 49rs, and Saints, and wherever Andy Reid was coaching.

Sure… twelve years in Detroit Matt Staffords played in two playoff games and got bounced with zero wins.

One season on the Rams and he wins a ring… but it’s because of Matt Stafford’s magic QB powers.

No question about the defense and special team. But BB diverted much of the budget to them in comparison to other teams and didn't really pay for blockbuster players(Moss was on a discount and a comeback player).

Moss doesn’t have a ring, neither does Julio Jones or Deandre Hopkins. Pats had good weapons most of the time. The Pats paid the middle of the roster, they spread the money out which gave them depth to withstand injuries. From 2015-2013 Tom was one of the highest paid players in the league and they won no rings.

The OLine was good but Brady made them elite. The weapons were average but Brady made them very good. BB is still trying the same formula but it's not working without a QB to elevate the offense.

The OLine and rest of the teams were good, they all made each other look very good.

My comments aren’t about Tom Brady, it’s about the QB position. They’re important, they’re also just one player in one phase out of three. It takes a team. Tom landing in and hand picking the optimal situation in Tampa doesn’t make that any less true.

 

[venecol]

Manning benefited from Polian changing the offensive rules four years straight as head of the "rules committee". Seems a lot of you suffer from some sort of amnesia.

Who are you again?

 

[Wozzy]

Manning benefited from Polian changing the offensive rules four years straight as head of the "rules committee". Seems a lot of you suffer from some sort of amnesia.

Also the NFL overlooked the fact Manning’s wife decided to take HGH in the offseason.

 

[203Pat]

Of course he did. Have to continue the BS, otherwise there's nothing to talk about. What's he gonna say? "Hey, look at this cool OT prospect out of East Bumshoe U!" That requires work, lot's of homework for content. Right @BaconGrundleCandy ? Easy to just show up and keep fighting the fight.

I love Felger and Mazz but anyone who listens to that show for actual analysis is a buffoon. Those guys are strictly entertainment and they flat out say they don't believe half of the nonsense they come up with. They manufacture outrage and drama and they win either way. The people who agree with them listen because they agree and the people who get pissed at their nonsense wait on hold for 45 minutes to get 5 seconds to tell Felger he's an idiot.

 

[Bruins29]

the drop sucked but it’s a myth Welker disappeared in the playoffs. he would probably have even won SB42 MVP if all the ******** didn’t happen on that final Giants drive

He easily would have won it.

This story has become tiresome and the people who post this tripe need to be booted from this site. JE homers are almost as bad as AV homers. My god.

WW played 9 playoff games for the Pats:
69 catches
686 yards

Thats 76 yards a game avg and 7.6 catches per game avg

Over a 16 game season WW would have 1216 yards and 121 catches over a 16 game season from just his playoff games - playing against the leagues best.

bUt hE dIsSaPpEaReD iN tHe pLaYoFfs

You would think someone with the screen name REAL Fan would have gotten this one right.