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  1. Absurdly Metro

    Absurdly Metro Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    So Charlie Casserly does his little song and dance on Randy "taking plays off" during the Jets game and again yesterday against the Fins. As a result, many Pats fans seem to be questioning Moss' leadership and commitment to the team based on this seeming "lack of effort" or "sulking" etc.

    By now we've all seen the prosecution's "smoking gun"; the play on Sunday where it looks like Randy doesn't even try to catch the ball. I've got to admit that, without the proper context, I can see where someone might conclude he is taking plays off. Fortunately Pats fans need not jump to such conclusions because, in fact, we've been given the context with which to weigh the evidence that, IMO, ultimately refutes this charge.

    Remember Pats fans, we've heard this song from the national mediots before right? Last year it was Ron Jaworski singing the same tune for BSPN.

    Tom Brady was quick to call BS on that one, coming to Randy's defense while providing some very interesting criteria for what constitutes being guilty of "taking plays off."

    Listen carefully to what Brady has to say in Moss' defense.

    "I have never, ever felt he has taken plays off. Are you kidding me?"

    "Randy is an extremely mentally tough person and people have criticized him since the day he got here. People have pre-judged him and stereotyped him. He's been nothing but a positive influence on this team, on this locker room, and his performance speaks for itself."

    "We had 54 pass attempts in a game, and you go out and tell a world-class sprinter to run 50, 50-yard dashes, the idea is 'you better have it when you need it.' And Randy is a smart player and he knows when he needs it,"

    "I have so much trust in him. He's been everything that we hoped for, a great leader."

    "...So what somebody says outside of this locker room means nothing."​


    On Monday, another credible witness came forward to provide not only the same glowing character reference Brady does, but also an eyewitness account of the play in question. It is none other than BB himself.

    Here's what BB had to say on live radio about the charge that Randy Moss is taking plays off. These comments were made after he had viewed the game film.

    "That was one of the plays where Miami blitzed. We had a route adjustment on and I'm not sure if Randy really saw the ball. The whole play just didn't come off the way it should have, the timing and the route and everything. And so I think that we just didn't have it timed out the way we wanted to or the way it should have been. I think the ball kind of got on him before he really saw what was happening."

    "Randy's been one of our most consistent players since the day he got here last year. At practice, games, long routes, short routes, running game, you name it. He's been very consistent for us. As far as his play, I think that he's played at a good consistent level."

    "Are there plays everybody would like to do a little bit better? Of course. We all have those though. I'm not saying anybody's perfect or you can't find a play where a player didn't make a mistake or could have played it better but he's been a very consistent player for us."​


    During the offseason the Pats players voted Randy Moss a team captain. My question is, would YOU cast your vote for team captain for a guy you knew quit on routes, gave up on plays, and didn't demonstrate leadership and commitment to the team?

    So which is it? Is Randy Moss a disinterested, lazy, selfish, prima donna who quits on his fans and teammates as Messrs Casserly, Jaworski, and all of the haters in the national media would have us believe? Or, is he the hard working, smart, consistent, leader and captain of this football team as evidenced by TB, BB, and the entire cast of Patriots in 2008?

    The defense rests its case. You decide.
     
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    BB and the pats are covering. Moss is a cancer and will become a major issue by the time this season ends. Did you expected Brady to come out and give credientials to Jaw's claims at the time? Seriously? Moss is quitting on these routes and pretty soon it will become very evident. Moss, will then, explodes like T.O in philly. The myth that BB deals with troubled player will become exposed now that Brady (the main man behind the curtains) is out.
     
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    I'm with you for the time being. I was at the game sunday and didn't see anything besides that one play. Seemed like he had alligator arms to me with the safety coming HARD st him as the ball arrived. Whether he saw it or not is another question.
     
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    Moss is on the bubble :singing:
     
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    Just like Dillon became a problem here, right? And after Moss's meager 23 TDs and 93 YPG last year after he quit?

    When exactly did you drop out of Mensa with your innate capacity to psychoanalyze based on a few seconds of television time? You have the sound of a bitter, sad J-E-T-S fan, wondering what might have been and where you might have placed all those Lombardis had Belichick assumed the head coach job there. All the Patriots fans are probably weeping silently over your misfortune. Then again, probably not. Even in the lean years here, that team likely makes all Patriots fans realize life could be much, much worse.

    Glad to see Favre's saving your season. What's your team's record by the way? How's that salary cap looking for next season?
     
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    I'll say it again.

    The way true Patriots fans felt right after Super Bowl 42 ended is the way your parents feel about you every day.

    :banned:
     
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    Absurdly Metro Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    You want to know which AFC East receiver is a malcontent festering in the locker room of a team many picked to contend this year but which is among the early disappointments in the league?

    Look no farther than Laverneus Coles. He hates Tannenbaum and Mangidiot. The myth that Eric Mangini can coach in this league will become exposed as the Jets go down in flames to a 6-10 season and the rat who would be king is run out of town on a rail. Write it down.
     
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    Thank you for saying that again, I missed it the first time and such gloriously accurate mental imagery would have been a shame to miss. :rofl:

    On a passing game related note:
    The National Football Post | National Football Post Tavern Talk
     
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    you are a damn fool. i guess you know more about football and about how randy moss has acted with the team than BB and TB do. why don't you just leave this website
     
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    I felt this way about the 'taking plays off' issue ever since his Minnesota days and I might get blasted by the 'Give it 100%' crowd but, I really don't blame him one bit. When you're sprinting 40 yards downfield every so often and whatnot it gets hard to give your all play in/play out over the entire course of a game. And when your defense is playing the way it was on Sunday why should Moss put himself in position for a concussion when it probably won't make a lick of a difference. He's not a possession reciever so I don't expect him to play like one.

    So far Moss hasn't voiced any kind of displeasure with the team and that's all that matters to me. People can accuse him of giving up all they want but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
     
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    FWIW, one of my co-workers went to the game. He said he watched Moss quite a bit and said he was running hard. Anyhow, on the play in question, he said that it was his impression that Moss did not see the ball coming. He said this to me on Monday morning. I really did not think anything of it until I read what BB said.

    My opinion...Moss wants to be here next year. That assures that he will do his part.
     
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    I agree with you.
     
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    Absurdly Metro: terrible username, awesome post.

    You've actually made me feel a bit better. No joke.
     
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    Yeah, Brady is covering for the guy that caught 23 touchdown passes. The next time a receiver for the Patriots lays down and takes off plays on the way to 23 TDs, I expect the fans to boo him.
     
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    The guy that started this thread did a good job. Too bad it got bogged down with garbage.
     
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    Thank you very much, that was very well put. Randy is the man why everyone wants to go with media bullcrap I dont know.
     
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    Gotta love some people claiming/pretending to be Pats fans then prophesizing doom and gloom from every conceivable angle.

    Grain of salt with most posters I find. Actually a lot of salt.

    I'll go back to discussing the opinions of balanced and thorough posters.
     
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    i dont know, id like to see film myself. if the play is a toss left and he is lined up on the right side, who cares. if its a screen to welker left, i dont care if he doesnt block. i mean, yeah, its nice to get downfield blocking, but a lot of injuries occur that way, and moss is frail, not a body meant for too much blocking. apparently not for running deep routes either the way our offense is running lately
     
  19. Absurdly Metro

    Absurdly Metro Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    Oddly enough, the name Absurdly Metro is an anagram for Tom Brady Rules.

    And no, I do not carry a man purse. Haha.
     
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    he will be fine...he knows his role
     
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