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    This is the early place to put videos, scouting reports or your own personal thoughts on any prospect eligible for the 2013 draft. Lets get in early, create a dynamic thread and be in a well-researched position for next April.

    To help you, here's a spreadsheet that lists a number of seniors and underclassmen and a potential early ranking for them (I think the rankings came from Ryan Lownes but I can't be sure.



    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtaFnuAmn2VBdGdONjVSeFhCTGJQNEdaX0dydnpGeVE#gid=0

    NePatriots draft have a 2013 top 50 here

    Note, on scouting reports, please just post a link and maybe a brief passage.
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    Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah

    Snr, 6'3", 325 lbs

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    Shall we just refer to him as "beast" from now on? Likely to be one of the early favourites in these parts for the Patriots pick. I'm sure he'll be one of OTG's grizzlies.

    Star Lotulelei vs Washington - YouTube
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    I like these guys ;)

    Tyler Wilson

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    6'3, 220...1st team all-SEC in his first year as a starter. Average arm but very accurate and one of the most poised college QBs ive ever seen.

    Tyler Wilson vs Auburn 2010 - YouTube

    Tyler Wilson Stats, News, Videos, Pictures, Bio - Arkansas Razorbacks - ESPN

    Cobi Hamilton

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    Rated as the top senior WR prospect by CBS...6'3, 215...will be the #1 WR this year after sitting behind adams, wright, and childs. Was a texas state track champ in high school and has great hands. Same high school as Ryan Mallett. I think he'd be a good pickup for the pats in the 2nd

    Cobi Hamilton vs LSU - YouTube

    Cobi Hamilton Stats, News, Videos, Pictures, Bio - Arkansas Razorbacks - ESPN

    Knile Davis

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    6'0, 230...Missed last season with an injury, led the SEC in rushing by RBs in 2010. Fast and powerful, only question is durability. Hard worker and young for his age so a lot of growing left in him. 1st-2nd round talent if it wasnt for injury concerns.

    Knile Davis Highlights.wmv - YouTube

    Knile Davis Stats, News, Videos, Pictures, Bio - Arkansas Razorbacks - ESPN

    Chris Gragg

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    6'3, 236...undersized for a TE by NFL standards but will probably be the #2 TE in the SEC this season...maybe the fastest TE in college football as a former WR. Great hands though and can break tackles pretty well.

    Chris Gragg Stats, News, Videos, Pictures, Bio - Arkansas Razorbacks - ESPN
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    I was very impressed with Tyler Wilson whenever I saw him - guys a real battler. If they all declare, I've already seen descriptions of next years draft as being like 1983 - Barkley, Wilson, Landry Jones, Bray, Logan Thomas, Aaron Murray, Geno Smith. All seven are potential first rounders should the juniors declare.
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    I think Keith Price from Washington could be a sleeper
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    Oh YEAH, Brother!! :rocker:

    Star Lotulelei has been #1 on my 2013 Mock since last year, baby!! :rocker:

    SuperBeast!!

    Him and OG Barrett Jones have been my top two for as long as I can remember.

    Mind you: It's a long ways to go till next April. :eek:
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    Side Note: Not to Live In The Past, or anything, but one of favorite Super Binkies from the 2012 Draft Class was playing for the other side in that one: OG Senio Kelemete ~ #56 ~ who lined up as Left Tackle for Washington. Had an absolutely terrific game. GOD, I wish we'd scooped him up.
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    Who's the best press-man CB? That's who I want.
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    Here's a pass rushing prospect from the University of Georgia, Jarvis Jones:

    Jarvis Jones vs Boise State - YouTube

    A fun stat to keep track of in this video is the amount of times he loses his helmet. I believe it is a single game record. :p
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    Tom Wort, LB, Oklahoma. Kid went to my high school.
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    Didn't we just get one of those in the seventh round?
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    Likewise. He's from England (UK), he's projected to go 1st round.
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    Exactly what I was thinking. I don't know that we need another DB.

    Xavier Rhodes is extremely physical, though. Took Michael Floyd out of the game in their bowl game.
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    All right, you guys have lured me back in.

    Some thoughts:

    1. Looking at previous years' early 1st round drafts and top 40/50 lists, there's a huge percentage incorrect. For example, look at Tony Pauline's top 40 lists for 2011 and 2012:

    Tony Pauline: Quinn, Mallett highlight top 40 prospects - 04.27.10 - SI Vault
    Andrew Luck, Justin Blackmon among top 2012 NFL Draft prospects - NFL - SI.com

    Only 12 of his predicted top 40 for 2012 actually went in the top 40. 11 were drafted either in the 6th-7th rounds or became UDFAs. Chase Minnifield, Vontaze Burfict, Donte Paige-Moss, Mike Brewster, Jeff Fuller, Chris Owusu, and Matt Reynolds were all top prospects this time a year ago. The results from 2011 aren't that different. And Pauline is one of the better ones. You see similar things if you look at lists from guys like Chad Reuter, Pete Prisco, Bucky Brooks, etc. So we should expect that beyond the obvious (Matt Barkley will be a 1st round pick barring injury) that there's going to be a lot of turnover by the time the 2013 draft rolls around - guys will get injured, will have bad years, will have off-field issues. And other guys will emerge. Hell, RGIII and Morris Claiborne didn't show up on ANYONE's early 2012 mock, and they were top 6 picks.

    2. The Pats' 1st round picks in 2005, 2008, 2010 and 2012 weren't on anyone's early 1st round projection or top-40 list. No one projected guys like Mayo, Mankins, McCourty or Jones to be 1st round picks a year in advance. It's extremely possible that whoever BB takes in 2013 won't be on the early 2013 1st round mocks at all.

    3. While I love Barkevious Mingo, I'm going to ignore pass rushers for now on my 2013 list for the Pats, until I see how Jones, Hightower and Bequette work out. Mingo is my personal favorite of the 2013 group, but I have a hard time seeing BB go for a 245# pass rusher right now. William Gholston of Michigan St. is VERY interesting at 6'7" 280# (Vernon Gholston's cousin).

    4. I feel the same way about DBs that I do about pass rushers. Until I see how the current group sorts out, I'm not thinking too much about DBs for 2013. Tyrann Mathieu is obviously an intriguing talent, and there are several solid prospects. But with McCourty, Dowling, Chung, Arrington, Wilson, Gregory, Dennard and Moore at DB I'd like to see how the current unit works and whether we keep Arrington and Chung (which I think is likely) before focusing on DBs for 2013. JMHO.

    5. The NFL is currently a "run and shoot" league in which QBs, WRs, DBs and pass rushers are the sexy picks. That tends to push the other guys down. Remember 2003 when DTs went 4, 6, 8, 12 and 13? Only Marcell Dareus (#3 in 2011) and BJ Raji (#9 in 2009) have gone top 10 since then. "Elite" DTs have slipped to the teens such as Haloti Ngata (#12 in 2006), Nick Fairley (#13 in 2011), Fletcher Cox (#12 in 2012) and Michael Brockers (#14 in 2012) - all guys who were considered likely top 10 picks at one point. The 2013 draft is going to be loaded with QBs and pass rushers, and those should push some of the DTs down - even potentially "elite" guys like Johnathan Hankins and Star Lotoleili could fall into the teens, and potentially to within reach.

    Just some food for thought.
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    If we know one thing about Belichick, it's that he's able to adapt to changes in the game. We've heard Tom Brady on Sounds FX talk about how hard it is to throw over the Giants DL. We went out and got a couple of Giants-like angular pass-rushers in Chandler Jones and Bequette. Wouldn't mind a big dt next year. We won't get the next Richard Seymour. But, maybe a kid like Brockers who went to the Rams. Stuff the run and push the pocket back. When qb ready to throw just get your arms up. Devon Still was the guy I wanted this year.
    All 6'6" 344 lbs of Kwame Gaethers from Georgia sounds interesting for next year.
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    Geathers could become another Ted Wasington in time. The nice thing is that even if Star Loulelei and Johnathan Hankins are out of reach, they will likely push down someone like Geathers, John Jenkins (6'3", 340#), or Jesse Williams (6'4", 330#).
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    I'll go out on the limb early. If Shariff Floyd from Florida plays up to his ability, he will be the first defensive lineman drafted next spring. He's going to be a junior. Was an elite recruit outof Philly 3 years ago. Keep an eye on him.
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    Loved this post Mayo. We're both seeing things in the same light at this point in the process. I'll be keeping tabs this year a bit more as I believe the 2013 draft class will be potentially great compared to the thin fare available this year.
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    My early projection on team needs for 2013:

    DT
    WR
    OL

    DB (will be a constant need to upgrade depth and talent)
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    I completely agree, though others will put WR high on the list. I see 2013 as a need to address the "core" on both offense and defense. Brian Waters will be gone after 2012 at the latest, Dan Connolly and Logan Mankins are both over 30, and Dan Koppen is on his last legs. Vince Wilfork will be 31 and played 86.2% of the snaps in 2011, Gerrard Warren is 34, and Myron Pryor is in a contract year.

    OTG and I have been discussing for months the idea of building a team from the "inside out". The NFL is infatuated with the "outside" game - outside WRs, outside CBs to counter them, outside pass rushers, outside tackles to counter them. But the core is at least as important. Jays52 has talked about this a bit.

    The DT class has at least 6 guys who should potentially go in the first 2 rounds: Hankins, Lotulelei, Kwame Short (more of a penetrator, and less interesting to me, though penetrating DTs are often prized over space eaters), Jesse Williams, Kwame Geathers and John Jenkins. The last 2 are still inconsistent and developing, but they have at least as much upside as Dontari Poe, and more good tape. And there are at least 3 interior OLs that I project to the top 40 picks right now: Alabama OL Barrett Jones, North Carolina OG John Cooper, and USC center Khaled Holmes. As you note, David DeCastro dropped to 24.

    The team is getting old in the middle on both sides of the LOS. That's the #1 priority for 2013, IMHO. DBs and WRs can be added in the middle rounds.
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    Here's my "sleeper pick" for the Pats for 2012: Alabama DT Jesse Williams:

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    Australians Brad Wing, Jesse Williams excel for LSU, Alabama - Andy Staples - SI.com

    Williams is 6'4" 320-330# of solid muscle. Very low body fat - the anti-Terrance Cody. He's of Polynesia descent with a warrior mentality, and is a weight room fanatic. Sub 5.00 speed. He's got Stephen Paea kind of strength on a much bigger frame with much more quickness. And he'll probably be the 3rd or 4th DT off the board after Hankins, Lotulelei and Short.
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    You and OTG have the right perspective on the draft process as a whole, but more importantly to our immediate needs come the 2013 draft.
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    Awesome looking player there. :eek:

    Love the comment from the article too, that states something like: "I used to check under the bed for monsters until I realized the monster was me."

    Good stuff.
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    Early 2013 mock draft from Pete Schrager at Fox Sports:

    Peter Schrager presents his 2013 NFL mock draft - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN

    Schrager's early mock is always my favorite, because he provides more detail in his comments and because he thinks outside of the box, and always comes up with a couple of guys who aren't on other people's lists. For example, last year he had Georgia DT John Jenkins in his early 2012 mock. This year he mentions a couple of interesting prospects:

    Hunt is an intriguing prospect. He's a 6'8" 295# Estonian champion track and field athlete (discus and shot put) who plays 3-4 DE for SMU. He's raw but very long and strong. I would think he's more a fit with a taditional 2-gap 3-4 approach than where the Pats seem to be going, though his length is nice. He's also blocked a gazillion punts and field goal attempts, such as this one:.

    SMU vs TCU Margus Hunt 2 veerand, PAT - YouTube

    He'll turn 26 before the 2013 season starts, which will be a major issue.

    I don't see it. Marsh is a 6'3" 290# penetrating DT. Not what I want in the middle for the Pats, and not a fit outside for us.

    But again, this is all highly speculative. Last year Schrager had the Indianopolis Colts losing in the Super Bowl and mocked a defensive tackle named Marcus Forston out of Miami to them at #31. Indy finished dead last in the league, and the Pats got Forston as a UDFA. Here's his early 2012 mock from a year ago, for comparison:

    Peter Schrager's 2012 first-round mock draft - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN

    Note that in this early 2012 mock Schrag had the Colts taking future UDFA Forston one pick ahead of Trent Richardson, who went to the predicted SB winners Green Bay at #32. :D
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    Mocking the Draft lists some of the top RB prospects for 2013:

    2013 NFL Draft Position Rankings - Running Backs - Mocking The Draft

    Some interesting all-purpose backs:

    - Andre Ellington, Clemson. 5'10" 190#. A versatile speester in the CJ Spiller mode, but a better inside runner - runs harder inside than his size would indicate. Reamer's been a huge fan of his for 2 years.

    - Christine Michael, Texas A&M. 5'11" 215#. Shared time with Cyrus Gray in 2011. Tore his ACL in November 2011.

    - Kenjon Barner, Oregon. 5'11" 195#. Shared time with LaMichael James the past 2 years, but will carry the load this year. Similar speed and elusiveness, but bigger.

    - Ray Graham, Pittsburgh. 5'9" 195#. Like Michael, Graham had his 2011 season cut short by a knee injury.

    All are versatile weapons with positional versatility and receiving skills ("flex backs", as OTG calls them) who would fit nicely in our offense.
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    Another early 2013 mock, this one from Andrew Perloff at CNNSI:

    2013 NFL Mock Draft has Arkansas' Tyler Wilson going No. 1 overall - Andrew Perloff - SI.com

    Has has Star Lotulelei falling to the Pats at 29 - in my dreams, as long as it's a trade up from 32.

    One guy to keep an eye on - Oklahoma St. DB Justin Gilbert, who goes #14 in this mock. He's under most people's radar, but is one of my favorite DB prospects in the draft. 6' 205# with great physical tools and ball skills. A playmaker.
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