Tabloid news on BB

[AStack75]

So, you defend a baseless public stoning on the grounds that coaches and athletes cheat on their wives? As for his marriage, my understanding was that they reconciled - either way, notihng changes, there are still very innocent people that have been harmed here. Just becasue they are public figures dows not mean it is right or they deserve to be treated this way.

As for your favorite gossip columnists, I am aware they have been spewing their venom for years, this being a Patriots group seemed like the logical place to discuss their hatchet job on BB.

I'm not defending BB. I'm just saying he's as fair game as anyone else is and also, because of his profession, is very likely to be involved with other women. Does BB deserve to have his personal life picked apart like this? Of course not. But he is a sports celebrity and public scrutiny is one of the bad things that you have to accept along with the fame and fortune.

As far as Gayle and Laura's accusations being baseless, I seriously doubt that they are going to rip apart one of our local heros just to get a story.

 

[PATSNUTme]

I am NOT bailing on Bill.....

I have a degree in paralegal studies and I can tell you that being deposed is a serious matter. The reason this story "broke" is because there is a hearing scheduled in a few weeks to determine if BB can be deposed in this divorce case. The husband wants custody of his kids and does not want to pay alimony. If he can prove his wife had an extra marital affair, then he strengthens his case. And yes, I am aware that everything alleged in a divorce case is not gospel. This however is fairly easy to prove....phone records......bank transactions....limo payments....hotel payments. The paper trail over 10+ years would be huge! You can believe what these girls are saying in this case because their info is coming from court papers, not idle gossip!

What I find IRONIC is what I said originally.....he preaches to his players to stay out of trouble and not embarrass the franchise. If this is true or if this is false, it is still embarrassing.

Do I love and respect him as a coach? YES! Do I agree with alleged inpropriety in his personal life? NO!

No offense everyone, but I have the right to feel dissapointed in my "hero."

And by the way Pats67 I HAVE met BB.....HugeCrush and I took a half a day out of work, drove 8 hours round trip to meet our "hero" and hear him give a speech about how the only thing of real value we have is our REPUTATION!

I seriously apologize for speaking for everyone in my first post, please forgive this mistake.

Does this mean that he Choir will not be singing for a while?

The issue here is that the Herald choose to put this as front page news. Why couldnt' they have put his deep in the sports pages? Selling papers that's why.

This has a long way to go. I want to see a photo of this babe when she was 25, when the alledged affair began. If she was really really hot and BB yeilded to temptation, then I am willing to cut him some slack. :rocker:

Maybe it's true and maybe it's not. We have to wait and see.

 

[Willie55]

I am NOT bailing on Bill.....

I have a degree in paralegal studies and I can tell you that being deposed is a serious matter. The reason this story "broke" is because there is a hearing scheduled in a few weeks to determine if BB can be deposed in this divorce case. The husband wants custody of his kids and does not want to pay alimony. If he can prove his wife had an extra marital affair, then he strengthens his case. And yes, I am aware that everything alleged in a divorce case is not gospel. This however is fairly easy to prove....phone records......bank transactions....limo payments....hotel payments. The paper trail over 10+ years would be huge! You can believe what these girls are saying in this case because their info is coming from court papers, not idle gossip!

What I find IRONIC is what I said originally.....he preaches to his players to stay out of trouble and not embarrass the franchise. If this is true or if this is false, it is still embarrassing.

Do I love and respect him as a coach? YES! Do I agree with alleged inpropriety in his personal life? NO!

No offense everyone, but I have the right to feel dissapointed in my "hero."

And by the way Pats67 I HAVE met BB.....HugeCrush and I took a half a day out of work, drove 8 hours round trip to meet our "hero" and hear him give a speech about how the only thing of real value we have is our REPUTATION!

I seriously apologize for speaking for everyone in my first post, please forgive this mistake.

Anybody can make an accusation, and until its proven, thats all it is.

Also, whose to say he did anything wrong other than give this lady gifts. It doesn't say in the article they "hooked up". Maybe the husband was a POS, treated her bad and as a result BB felt bad for her.

 

[Clonamery]

As far as Gayle and Laura's accusations being baseless, I seriously doubt that they are going to rip apart one of our local heros just to get a story.

Well, you are just plain naive. Or just plain deadpan....

 

[Patriotic]

As far as Gayle and Laura's accusations being baseless, I seriously doubt that they are going to rip apart one of our local heros just to get a story.[/QUOTE]

Like the time they reported a seperated NECN's Chet Curtis was seen on the town "with a gaggle of young babes" that turned out to be his two daughters, his niece and the niece's friend?

 

[pats1]

Things just keep getting stranger:

http://thetrack.bostonherald.com/moreTrack/view.bg?articleid=149244

End run blocks juicy tidbits in Belichick-linked divorce case
By Gayle Fee and Laura Raposa
Friday, July 21, 2006 - Updated: 02:01 AM EST

A high-priced attorney in a scandalous New Jersey divorce case yesterday moved to seal explosive court records that implicate New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick as the Other Man in the marital bust-up.

Court officials in Morristown, N.J., refused to grant access to records involving the dissolution of the 10-year marriage of Vincent and Sharon Shenocca of Covent Station, N.J.

The speculation is that the judge sealed the records - which were reviewed by the Track - because they contain details about the couple’s sex life, including the wife’s fantasies about girl-on-girl action, her proclivity for porn and the husband’s desire for them to take part in a “threesome.”

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[Chevagus]

I can't really understand the big deal here. Everyone seems to be saying the reporters are on a smear campaign and can't be trusted yet almost the entire article says "court papers show..." This information is so easily backed up or refuted that it's incredibly hard to fathom the reporters pulling the story out of thin air. I would venture to guess that what they contend the court papers say is true. Obviously, this doesn't mean the court papers are factual but it is newsworthy. And, since papers try for the largest circulation, it's put on the front page to draw attention. Right or wrong, papers have always done this. This is why it's front page material in Boston and rarely gets a blip elsewhere.

As for those saying BB's private life should remain private, I'll say I think most are being hypocritical. News about players on another team (Loveboat anyone?!?) always get their fair share of comments without any concern about the player's privacy. It's great you stand up for BB, it's to be expected, but please get off the soap box.

 

[I'm Ron Borges?]

I can't really understand the big deal here. Everyone seems to be saying the reporters are on a smear campaign and can't be trusted yet almost the entire article says "court papers show..." This information is so easily backed up or refuted that it's incredibly hard to fathom the reporters pulling the story out of thin air. I would venture to guess that what they contend the court papers say is true. Obviously, this doesn't mean the court papers are factual but it is newsworthy. And, since papers try for the largest circulation, it's put on the front page to draw attention. Right or wrong, papers have always done this. This is why it's front page material in Boston and rarely gets a blip elsewhere.

As for those saying BB's private life should remain private, I'll say I think most are being hypocritical. News about players on another team (Loveboat anyone?!?) always get their fair share of comments without any concern about the player's privacy. It's great you stand up for BB, it's to be expected, but please get off the soap box.

Well said but lets stop talking about this because we are doing exactley what the Herald was hoping for when they put out that cover. Almost 100 posts on the subject. Advantage Boston Herald. Lets put it to bed.

 

[Crowpointer]

Anybody can make an accusation, and until its proven, thats all it is.

Also, whose to say he did anything wrong other than give this lady gifts. It doesn't say in the article they "hooked up". Maybe the husband was a POS, treated her bad and as a result BB felt bad for her.

Exactly. Whatever happened to being given the benefit of the doubt ? He was her friend. He makes a lot of money and gave her gifts. If I got to his position and made millions a year I would give gifts to the friends that helped me out along the way. Doesn't mean he slept with her. Let's let the truth come out before we start throwing stones.

 

[Clonamery]

I would venture to guess (go ahead) that what they contend (gesundheit!) the court papers say is true (really, and you've seen what the 'Track' reviewed?). Obviously (yes, obviously), this doesn't mean the court papers are factual (but you just said in your prior sentence that you would venture to guess...., oh, well, welcome back from your trip) but it is newsworthy (so it appears). And (I'm ready), since papers try for the largest circulation (yes, it is a business after all, so something IS at stake), it's put on the front page to draw attention (you ARE smarter than you've shown to this point). Right or wrong (and what has that got to do with it, since you asked?), papers have always done this (hmm, that's a nasty generalization that is going to be hard proved). This is why it's front page material in Boston and rarely gets a blip elsewhere (uh, I heard about it in NY and my Dad heard about it in FL).

Stop talking about THIS? Yeesh, what people are saying about it in response are a lot more interesting and revealing (like I'm a sarcastic b*st*rd) than the actual story which, all in all, is pretty dang human with a whole lot of distasteful thrown in.

 

[Tunescribe]

Lets put it to bed.

Is that a Freudian slip of some sort? Whether we like it or not, this story is and will be a distraction that COULD affect our team. Because of that, it bears watching. Anyone who believes a personal scandal that has entered the legal system doesn't hold potential for affecting BB's job performance isn't acknowledging reality. Personal life DOES affect professional life. (Gary Hart? Bill Clinton?) BB is manager of a public trust, the New England professional football team. Hence, he is a public figure subject to scrutiny beyond the bounds of private citizens. It is entirely possible that BB is innocent of "philandering," that he gave the gifts and money without strings attached. He has been known to generously and very quietly contribute to other charitable causes in the past. But this is a disturbing development no matter how you look at it. You can bet the distraction is already playing out in the form of: (1). BB consulting his own lawyers on how to handle this mess and (2). Having to explain whatever is going on to the Krafts. My guess is that further embarrassment is in store. My hope is that it blows over quickly, without affecting what looks to be a promising season.

 

[edzo44]

My two cents on this whole tabloid deal? I DON'T &*%$#@! CARE!!

I only require one thing out of my team's coach - - - to Coach! Put the best team you can on the field and win as many games as possible. BB's done that admirably well and I hope he keeps it up in the future, that is all I want. I don't want or need a Saint, I do not care what he does in his personal life, I don't care if he's been boffing everything in a skirt for 30 years.

All I want is for him to build, develope and coach a consistently competitive championship team, that is his job, it's what he was hired to do and he's been doing it quite well. That is all he has to do and I am very happy.

I don't expect any Saints, particularly in an area where Senators are still in office who have plunged off bridges causing people's death and walked away, where an official was sentenced and placed in prison and still got re-elected while he was in jail and where a former President from Massachusetts was boffing a movie star on the side while he was in office.

It is all totally extraneous to the game and all I care about is the football portion. I'm not concerned or upset by all the other crap - - - it is what it is, nothing I think or care about.

 

[belichickaholic]

If BB came down the street in Oxford, I’d recognize him at once, probably go up to him, shake his hand and say “thank you†for all he’s done for the Patriots and the pleasure they’ve given me. That’s part of celebrity. It will happen to him and Brady and Bruschi and Troy to their dying day.

But when things take place in people’s lives that are painful, having them known about by strangers makes it worse. Think of how we would feel if we or our families were reading about this stuff on a web-site in relation to us. Should we not know about bad things happening in celebrities’ personal lives, then? If they’ve happened and they are known about by others I don’t see how newspapers can be expected not to report them (though to do it in the way that the Herald did is despicable – it just invites the vultures and voyeurs).

I’m interested in everything that affects the Patriots. Nothing is more important to that than the Head Coach and his state of mind. I’m interested in his taste in music, the fact that he likes lacrosse and (yikes!) his taste in pullovers – so I can’t deny that I’ve got an interest in his personal life. How can it not affect him as a coach?

But I also care about him and his family and I know what it’s like to go through this sort of trouble. I think we should show respect – accept that there are limits to how far we should take our curiosity, keep him and his family in our thoughts and shut up about it if we possibly can.

Best post on the entire thread! Cheers to you, Mike

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Is that a Freudian slip of some sort? Whether we like it or not, this story is and will be a distraction that COULD affect our team. Because of that, it bears watching. Anyone who believes a personal scandal that has entered the legal system doesn't hold potential for affecting BB's job performance isn't acknowledging reality. Personal life DOES affect professional life. (Gary Hart? Bill Clinton?) BB is manager of a public trust, the New England professional football team. Hence, he is a public figure subject to scrutiny beyond the bounds of private citizens. It is entirely possible that BB is innocent of "philandering," that he gave the gifts and money without strings attached. He has been known to generously and very quietly contribute to other charitable causes in the past. But this is a disturbing development no matter how you look at it. You can bet the distraction is already playing out in the form of: (1). BB consulting his own lawyers on how to handle this mess and (2). Having to explain whatever is going on to the Krafts. My guess is that further embarrassment is in store. My hope is that it blows over quickly, without affecting what looks to be a promising season.

Wasn't this the same rationale you employed when you felt compelled to publicly announce his seperation from Debbie on Patsfans just over a year ago so we could assess it's potential impact on a football season? Turned out what we should have been concerned about was the continued physical health of half a dozen starters and not the emotional health of the HC. Even saddled with a team badly wounded physically and after burying his beloved dad, he managed to position them for a run at #4. And in the end it wasn't his coaching performance that fumbled and stumbled and threw it away...

Like most highly successful businessmen who also happen to have personal lives that sometimes become complicated, Bill will compartmentalize this and handle it accordingly. If we have learned nothing else about him over the last 6 years, we should know by now he is a master minimalizing if not eliminating distraction. So attempting to point to the distraction factor as a valid rationale for even continuing this discussion is patently BS.

 

[PATSNUTme]

Well said but lets stop talking about this because we are doing exactley what the Herald was hoping for when they put out that cover. Almost 100 posts on the subject. Advantage Boston Herald. Lets put it to bed.

I checked Jets Insider early this morning and they have over 125 post on this.

They are having a lot of fun with this. But,their team sucks so they have to find fun where they can.

 

[spacecrime]

Are you serious? That article didn't slam or bring down Belichick in any way. He was named in a court document and they reported it, giving quotes by both sides. This was obviously going to get out eventually and I don't have any problem with those reporters being the first to make it public. At no point did they do anything to smear Belichick. That is on ehte guy who brought up the lawsuit, not the reporters themselves. Everything in that story was fact presented in documents. Like I said, I could care less if it's true or not but I don't see where people are having a problem with the reporting. This is public information now and anyone who thinks it wasn't going to get out is living in a fantasy land. Just ask Bill Clinton.

Don't confuse the fact that you can't stop it with it being right to do.

It isn't that I think it isn't going to get out, it's that I think the people saying this are not reporting "news" but spreading gossip. They have a right to publish this, jsut as thye have a right to publish the names of women you dated and left. There are a million divorce proceedings in NJ. If divorce proceedings were news, they would be listed. They all aren't because divorce proceedings arent news.

Sorry, nothing newsworthy about this. It's gossip. Those two women's job is to reprot gossip, and they do it well.

Don't try to make laura and the other one into nes reproters, becasue they aren't.

 

[PATSNUTme]

Things just keep getting stranger:

http://thetrack.bostonherald.com/moreTrack/view.bg?articleid=149244

OK, let's forget BB MAY be involved with this and concentrate on the important issues.

"girl on girl action":rocker: Was she a former Carolina Panthers Cheeerleader??:singing:

 

[spacecrime]

I can't really understand the big deal here. Everyone seems to be saying the reporters are on a smear campaign and can't be trusted yet almost the entire article says "court papers show..." This information is so easily backed up or refuted that it's incredibly hard to fathom the reporters pulling the story out of thin air.

reqad again:

End run blocks juicy tidbits in Belichick-linked divorce case
By Gayle Fee and Laura Raposa
Friday, July 21, 2006 - Updated: 02:01 AM EST

A high-priced attorney in a scandalous New Jersey divorce case yesterday moved to seal explosive court records that implicate New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick as the Other Man in the marital bust-up.

Court officials in Morristown, N.J., refused to grant access to records involving the dissolution of the 10-year marriage of Vincent and Sharon Shenocca of Covent Station, N.J.

The speculation is that the judge sealed the records - which were reviewed by the Track - because they contain details about the couple’s sex life, including the wife’s fantasies about girl-on-girl action, her proclivity for porn and the husband’s desire for them to take part in a “threesome.â€

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[patsacolachick]

I checked Jets Insider early this morning and they have over 125 post on this.

They are having a lot of fun with this. But,their team sucks so they have to find fun where they can.

Jets fans are like jilted lovers when it comes to BB. They jump on anything bad about him to make themselves feel better that he walked away from them.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

“In terms of standards, I would urge you to consider the context,†says Convey, the Herald’s managing editor. “Maybe you think this particular gossip column should be held to the same standards as pages one through eight.†Good point—it’s not like the Track affects national security. In the end, we can forgive the pandering and the bullying and the backroom dealing. But there are rules."

Not at the Herald any more there aren't. That's why this gossip column fodder made page one in the Herald because the standards under which that rag has operated on pages one through eight for the last couple of years are one in the same as their standards for the salacious gossip pandering in The Track.

"One prominent Boston media observer points out that before they started working on the Track, Fee and Raposa were regarded as good reporters. Even now, the duo will occasionally display a certain knack for getting to the core truth of a subject. Fee, for instance, wittily and succinctly sums up her career path: “If the Herald were to close tomorrow and we didn’t have the Inside Track anymore,†she says, “then I’d be greeting people at Wal-Mart, because that’s all I’m qualified to do at this point.â€

And the rationale for smearing their drivel on the front page of the Herald is because there is currently a better than even chance the Herald will close, just not soon enough. The handful of decent reporters and writers who remain at this rag, who tell us we should fear a one paper environment in this town and support the Herald's struggle to remain an alternate voice, they must as Parcells termed it throw up in their mouthes most mornings lately when they check to see what this idiot editor is slapping on the front page to keep them employed. The Herald is like a wounded animal battling an adversary in the Globe that might as well be armed with tactical nuclear weapons. All the wounded animal can fall back on is it's own cunning unpredictability - it will do anything to survive.

Tabloid journalism, or it's half-sister tabloid media, are a disturbing by-product of some pathological desire on the part of the have nots in this society to know what the haves are doing. What is more disturbing though is when people who produce or partake of this product try to defend it as mainstream journalism. The Herald isn't a Newspaper. It's a tabloid rag. And those who work for it or read it need to be willing to acknowledge and differentiate it as such. That way the rest of us won't have to feel compelled to continually explain why we choose to ignore it for the litter box liner it ultimately is.

In an effort to boost circulation and readership last year they dropped the price to a quarter. That was still more than it was worth. When you get past page eight, and before you reach the now decimated sports section, there are nothing but ads. Hopefully today they are fielding cancellations from any advertiser with any connection to or affection or admiration for the local NFL football team. They've shot their own sports department in the foot, albeit the less significant football foot in this baseball town, but that will matter little to them unless the bullet ricochets into their advertising ass.