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  1. The Predator

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    Dante was on a few different shows today on ESPN. He said multiple times that he will play for the Eagles next year and a deal will be done. He praised the organization highly. This guy isn't going anywhere so you can take him of your wish list (he wasn't on some lists anyway).
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    Just another IR guy.
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    That's weird because the talk down here in Philly is that he is gone, testing the free agent waters with no expectation that Philly will come up the high bidder. I get the feeling (no factual basis) that he will go for whoever gives him the biggest contract (even if it's Oak or Det- using loser analysis here not need for receivers) regardless of whether he will sniff a Super Bowl or not
    instead of potentially taking a few less doneros for the chance to play in Feb.
    If it's all the $$ with a maximum contract, I don't see him in a Pats uniform next year, certainly not with his injury history.....
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    I dont understand why people think he's the answer to the patriots problems in the receiving corp... I think wes welker would be more of a threat in the pariots scheme than stallworth.
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    and.. I dont know how in the holy hell people are writing off Chad Jackson already. Forgot who said it but it went something like "if you went by Ty Warrens first season stats, you'd call him a bust too.."

    Kid will be fine, some people are expecting the second coming of jerry rice..thats not fair for us as fans and for him as a player. People act like anything less than 1200 yd 100 catch season is a faliure. I'd be content just to see him become somewhat of a threat to stretch the field and give watson/thomas/graham/caldwell/jaffney/dillion and maroney some much needed breathing room to make plays...everything is falling into place..

    watch and wait..
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    I fear the addition of Wes Walker means the end of the Troy Brown Era as a player.

    I just want 1 more WR to fill out the roster who is established or on the edge of breaking out
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    Why add a guy at 10 yards per catch like Walker?

    Stallworth is simply a good example of a player who gives us what we need - a legitimate deep threat for 35-50 catches a season. There are others like him that we could trade for or sign.

    We've had these guys in the past - we could use them again. David Patten = 18 yards per catch. Tim Dwight and Andre Davis = 17.5 and 21 yards per catch.

    Caldwell, Watson and Gaffney? 12 & 13 yards per catch.

    That makes for a very big difference when it comes to how the defenses can stack up against us.
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    I think we should get stallworth.

    He would fit in well with all the other Injury-prone patriots.

    so what if he gets hurt? most other players on this team do too.

    I would like to see him here.
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    By the way - once you have a guy like Stallworth or others stretching the field - watch how Cadwell, Watson and Gaffney's numbers rise from 12 & 13 yards a catch and come into the 14-16 yards per catch average.

    That's bound to happen simply because there won't be a saftey playing 15 yards "deep" pouncing on them immediately after the catch is made.
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    Reche was an injury prone player and lasted the season - maybe the offseason position specific training the Pats do really works?
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    Maybe you should refrain from the smart ass comments on this message board.
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    ummmmmmmmmmmmm yeah. ok.
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    maybe we can get him before training camp and he can room with Randal G@y.
    He's never had any injury problems.
    He can teach Donte how to stretch properly and exactly what it takes to stay healthy throughout an entire nfl season.
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    Hey wise guy! Your posts on this message board do not add to the quality of my life.
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    Didn't Deion Branch say the same thing (about the Pats) last year?
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    #12 Jersey

    I think there is still a shot at him, but Drew Bennet would look real nice...:singing:
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    Let's see
    We have Gaffney, Caldwell, Jackson, Kight, Childress and maybe Brown

    Do you think that Brady would consider Stallworth a worthwhile upgrade from Kight? from Childress? This is a tough one! ya think?

    And no, teh patriots do not count on any player (except one) to play the entire season without injury.
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    Uh... YEAH. Gaffney showed signs of greatness but had a terrible year. Caldwell benefitted from the system of the Pats and having Tom Brady as a quarterback. Kight? I haven't heard his name in a while. Bam Childress belongs on the practice squad where he was signed from. Chad Jackson, as much as I want to see him succeed next year, has shown nothing to warrent the excitement that people are giving him. And hopefully Brown will be back because he was our only CONSISTENT receiver this year.

    Stallworth would definitely be an upgrade should he come to New England. Kraft won't pay him though so you're just kidding yourself on that one. Kraft would rather upgrade through the draft than free agency anyway.
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    I didn't know that Kraft had taken away draft responsibilities and cap management from BB & Pioli! When did that happen?

    Link please - that's BIG news!

    I always thought that Kraft, BB & Pioli all understood that you use the draft to upgrade your team of 2-4 years in the future. Anything sooner is gravy.

    You use FA to try to achieve some more immediate return on investment, with established players.

    I guess we're just wasting our time talking about free agents knowing now that Kraft will never pay them. :(
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    Do BB and Pioli personally pay the free agents? Didn't think so. Do BB and Pioli own the team? Didn't think so either. Everything in Pats front office comes down to Kraft. You know, kind of like the Deion Branch deal of this past year?
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    Okay, for everybody talking about a "legitimate deep threat" and Caldwell "benefitting from the system," I have to note, Papier Reche is fast as hell. I think he clocked sub 4.4, maybe sub 4.3, straight line speed. He showed it over the season with the Pats.

    The point is, it's not that we need one from column A, one from column B, etc. etc. It's more that we have a few good guys, a few unproven who might be good, no great receivers, and no need for a great receiver. Sorry, but unless we catch one on the way up, the Pats' salary logic, and the salary logic of a "great receiver," are not in synch, from what I can tell.

    Moving on to Dante, he's sort of a 1b type guy (not a proven #1 like a Harrison or a TO [sic,] but a recent breakout guy,) I don't know what he gets offered in FA. Should we make a run at him? Sure. But my gut says someone is going to pay him to be a true 1, even if Philly won't.

    Beyond that in terms of deal structure, he's going to be looking for money up-front, and he's a pay-as-you-go or backloaded guy if you ask me. You pay him a big bonus, and that's paying money today for performance you might never see. That's a risk for anybody, but he's got high risk written all over him, and you can not accept that risk up-front with an injury-prone player; you mitigate it with backloaded money and incentives, if you're smart. Unfortunately, up-front money is the name of the game. Ergo, if you ask me, no Dante.

    Finally - yes, yes, yes to adding Bennett if we can get him at 2 money (say, 4-5M/yr, modest bonus.) If he's looking for 8M a year? I don't know how we end up justifying it. And yes, it's too early to give up on Chad.

    PFnV
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    Joe,

    it has absolutely nothing to do with Welker's or (somebody like him) receiving ability. Go back and watch '01 games to glory. Even the PR by Troy Brown in the super bowl 39. If you can draft a Devin Hester, a Wes Welker (somebody who take it to the house), you can vastly improve the team. A good PR who's the 5th/6th CB, or 5th WR can still bring vast production on ST. I love Troy (see my name), but BB will be looking at some point to get a PR. BTW, I think Faulk is too valuable as a 3rd down back to our offense, and he's getting kinda older too. Just my personal opinion.
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