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  1. Bobs My Uncle

    Bobs My Uncle Supporter Supporter

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    Was anyone else wishing we had Seymour back out there last night come crunch time?

    I know I thought about it a few times last night when I saw our DL sucking wind and getting blownup.
  2. patriotscpfc

    patriotscpfc Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    I wished we had any D-lineman out there to give Vince, Burgess and Pryor a break.

    Even Titus, Terd or Darryl Richard would have been a help.

    I'll still take the first round pick.
  3. shmessy

    shmessy Maude Staff Member Supporter

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    I believe Ty Warren and/or Jarvis Green would have been more than sufficient.

    And I agree with the previous poster. The first rounder from the Raiders still makes that trade an automatic.
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  4. RussFrancis

    RussFrancis Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    Not for a second. Miss him, but didnt think about him one bit, and dont think it would have a made a significant difference one way or the other. We lost that game with a Maroney fumble on the goal line. And with horrible O playing calling in the 4th quarter. And by lining up in SHOTGUN 4 straight plays late in the game and PASSING the ball while trying to milk the clock, and close the deal. That pass interference call on Butler sure didnt help. Seymour wouldnt have helped with any of that. Unless he'd have been strangling Belichick right before he went for it on 4th and 2. Btw, that Oakland #1 in '11 is gonna be sweet. Im thinking about THAT right now.
  5. Rob0729

    Rob0729 Supporter Supporter

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    I would have been satisfied if Warren, Green, TBC, or even Minovitch were on the field.
  6. nashvillepatsfan

    nashvillepatsfan In the Starting Line-Up

    here comes the seymour bunch. :rolleyes:

    Nope, didnt even think of him once during the game.

    Nobody knows what kind of impact Seymour wouldve had if he was still on the team. So threads that speculate anything to do with last nights game, and Seymour, should just be moved off the main forum. Lets talk about the players who are actually on the team, and how they need to improve. The D obviously needs to improve, and probably would even with Seymour ;)
  7. robertweathers

    robertweathers Pro Bowl Player

    The entire defense was completely gased. Seymour would have been gassed just as much with Warren and Green out..
  8. Bobs My Uncle

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    The DL was fine until it ran out of gas. It was undermanned badly and that was painfully obvious by the end of the game.

    I too am tickled pink we have the Raiders 1st but last night's game would have been much easier to win if Seymour was out there.
  9. NEGoldenAge

    NEGoldenAge Banned

    Naw, I was missing Warren and TBC much more.
  10. stevedogc

    stevedogc Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    I honestly think that the Pats could have had Reggie White, Michael Strahan and Lawrence Taylor on the field and it would not have made a difference. Ok, maybe I am being a bit overboard, but you get the idea. I think the fault of the defense starts and ends with Belichick. Im not sure what it is. If he's lost it or if coaches have figured him out. But he does not seem capable of confusing and pressuring good teams anymore. The Pats had no pressure on Manning last night.
  11. BelichickFan

    BelichickFan B.O. = Fugazi Supporter

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    I guess the obvious answer is YES. That doesn't mean I wish we hadn't made the trade, if we could have Seymour and the pick that would be great :D It was a good trade but with TBC out and Warren out and Green out, sure, Seymour would have been nice.
  12. JoeShmoe

    JoeShmoe 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

    What he said

    Doesnt matter if youre best OLB and best DE is out of the game for most of it

    Saying that i'll be amazed if we dont pick up at least two OLB/DE on the first day of the draft next year

    I also wouldnt have left Wayne single covered on the last play - similar to Hobss vs Burress in SB
  13. mayoclinic

    mayoclinic Supporter Supporter

    I think it is fair to say that our lack of depth at DL hurt has badly in the 4th quarter. Our front line was clearly exhausted. The Colts double teamed Wilfork on several plays and took him out of the play, and ran it down our throats, running for 38 of their 91 yards.

    I agree that having even Warren and Green would have been sufficient. But BB gambled in trading Seymour that he had enough depth and quality at DL without him. A win last night puts us in good shape for home field advantage throughout the playoffs. Now we have no shot at that. If that ends up being significant and costs us a shot at the SB, then I would have to re-assess the Seymour trade.
  14. Bobs My Uncle

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    Hey, BF.

    The point is Warren and Green were not available to play last night and neither Seymour nor the Raiders #1 pick weren't around to help us out any in last night's game.
  15. ctpatsfan77

    ctpatsfan77 Supporter Supporter

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    Actually, according to a site called, they'd have had <10% chance of HFA even if they had won.

    Now, of course, it is practically zero.

    Yeah, but the Pats did have two DLs injured, and a third go out early in the game, plus they lost an OLB later on.
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  16. DarrylS

    DarrylS Supporter Supporter

    Utter speculation, Seymour may have gotten hurt also... being a huge Seymour apologist over the years... he probably would not have made all that much difference, he may have been another body and maybe Pryor may not have played as much..

    In reality this is one of those circular arguments, that can go on ad infinitum and there is no answer....
  17. Bobs My Uncle

    Bobs My Uncle Supporter Supporter

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    Well, Seymour getting hurt would have been the ONLY way he wouldn't have helped us win had he still been on the team last night. Meanwhile the Raiders #1 2 drafts from now did nothing to help us win last night.
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