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Reiss: Brady much less effective against blitz vs. standard pass rush


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Yeah, but all the Colts got are flashy stats like 11-0.
but they dont pass out if the shotgun more than us so thats why they are 11-0:rolleyes:
 
Flashy stats are not playoff stats..... my PATS:)
 
Throwing a little screen to your TE's will beat a blitz...oh wait, you have to actually throw to your TE's for this to be effective.
 
It's hard to argue that the shotgun is the problem when Colts have only 15 less reps in it and are still 11-0. While the offense was a problem in the early part of the season, I do not agree that it is the problem now.
 
It's hard to argue that the shotgun is the problem when Colts have only 15 less reps in it and are still 11-0. While the offense was a problem in the early part of the season, I do not agree that it is the problem now.

Using Peyton Manning as an example doesn't work. He is probably the only exception to any rule about offensive predictability, he has transformed into probably the best QB of all time.
 
The old teams used to suffer devastating injuries all the time and have resilience.

The new team can't win a game if Welker has a bad game.
 
Mav obviously has no idea why teams operate out of the shotgun. It's because if you have a QB smart enough to diagnose defenses pre and post snap it gives him that much more time and space to. And if you don't it gives him that much more time and space to make a play at all as opposed to just getting run over, which is why it is so popular in college...

I think we use it in part because we employ a smart, quick but undersized OL and it gives them and Brady just a second more to adjust protection and a cushion between the guys they're blocking and Brady...

Bill has said on many occasions when mav likely isn't listening that we now can run all of our running plays out of the shotgun as well as from under center. Years ago teams didn't.

Mav thinks it would be a great idea to handcuff our HOF QB who has made his mark as a cerebral playmaker so teams would be more inclined to think we might be running. Teams generally figure out if you'll be running early on based on early success or lack thereof. You're therefore more likely to surprise them operating out of the shotgun than you are under center. Particularly if your team is coached to run out of the shotgun.
 
Mav obviously has no idea why teams operate out of the shotgun. It's because if you have a QB smart enough to diagnose defenses pre and post snap it gives him that much more time and space to. .


Yeah, and theoretically using a 3-TE formation should give you a power rushing attack.

75% of all our season's passing attempts are from shotgun, and it's been proven it can be stopped especially when you take Welker out of the game.

If a coordinator ran 75% of all runs out of the 3-TE formation, what do you think would happen? The defense would absolutely kill it, even if you had a hall of fame running back. The original theory/purpose of the 3-TE formation would be seriously diminished.
 
The old teams used to suffer devastating injuries all the time and have resilience.

The new team can't win a game if Welker has a bad game.

Didn't work that way in 2002, 2005 or 2006...but aside from that...:rolleyes:

The old team struggled to win games once Troy Brown and David Patten lost a step and whenever Deion Branch was injured or David Givens was out. The haven't won a championship since Harrison blew out his ACL/MCL/PCL or since Tedy had his stroke or since Seymour tweeked his knee on goaline...

Selective memory is a wonderful thing...

This team was still resiliant enough to win 11 games after it's HOF QB went down in the first quarter of week 1. I'd love to see the Colts or Saints try to pull that off...
 
This team was still resiliant enough to win 11 games after it's HOF QB went down in the first quarter of week 1. I'd love to see the Colts or Saints try to pull that off...

Two different Patriot teams went 14-2 and won the whole thing despite leading the entire league in injuries to starters both years.

Previous coordinators were able to overcome pretty much any obstacle - injuries, refs, crappy talent, etc - and create a dynasty. More recent coordinators choke and everyone makes excuses for them - injuries, refs, crappy talent.
 
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Yeah, and theoretically using a 3-TE formation should give you a power rushing attack.

75% of all our season's passing attempts are from shotgun, and it's been proven it can be stopped especially when you take Welker out of the game.

If a coordinator ran 75% of all runs out of the 3-TE formation, what do you think would happen? The defense would absolutely kill it, even if you had a hall of fame running back. The original theory/purpose of the 3-TE formation would be seriously diminished.

It's been stopped that way exactly once. Teams who fail to get pressure rushing 3 and 4 have struggled to stop it. Pressure and coverage are the keys and they go hand in hand.

You're comparing apples and oranges but I think the problem is you don't even know what the difference between them is since both are fruits...
 
It's been stopped that way exactly once.

Actually, the offense has been stopped in all of our losses. The 2nd half performances have been pathetic. It was also stopped in 2007.

You keep repeating that it's some sort of mythical 4-man rush that beats this team, because you don't credit the folly of the scheme itself, and how the scheme causes protection problems because it's used too much/predictably.

If you were a 2001 Rams fan you would be blaming the 2001 choke job on the Pats' elite linebackers, instead of on Mike Martz.



The funniest part of all of this is how many of you were Maroney defenders earlier using the specific argument that Maroney's run blocking is bad for him, because the defense knows that when he is in the game he is definitely running, and the defense hits those run gaps harder/earlier. If you can understand this concept, then it's only a complete irrational bias to defend the passing game, that stops you from understanding why 75% of all season passing attempts from shotgun is a bad idea.
 
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The funniest part of all of this is how many of you were Maroney defenders earlier using the specific argument that Maroney's run blocking is bad for him, because the defense knows that when he is in the game he is definitely running, and the defense hits those run gaps harder/earlier.

I have never seen a Maroney "defender" use this argument. The Maroney haters have tried to say Maroney gives off tells so that the defense KNOWS it's a run. I love it when some of you have no leg to stand on you instantly group a general range of posters and accuse them of arguing something they have not.
 
Actually, the offense has been stopped in all of our losses. The 2nd half performances have been pathetic. It was also stopped in 2007.

LOL Offenses are generally stopped in losses. In all of our losses the defense also failed to make stops. This stuff is borderline genius level analysis...:ugh: BTW it was stopped once in 18 games in 2007. And even then the defense failed to stop an opponent with under 3 minutes remaining in a game. A clear indication it's scheme also sucked...as did both coordinators...and the poor players who were in position to make plays to end the game multiple times were just victims of a lousy scheme...

You keep repeating that it's some sort of mythical 4-man rush that beats this team, because you don't credit the folly of the scheme itself, and how the scheme causes protection problems because it's used too much/predictably.

It's not mythical and it's worse since it's 3 as well as 4 man rushes up the middle collapsing the pocket that are allowing even opponents without great edge rushers to beat this team's offense (although MENTAL ERRORS and erratic execution by young players on defense certainly exacerbated the outcome on Monday). It's really rough to argue with someone who doesn't even know what scheme entails...and who persists in ignoring the significance of execution within any scheme.

If you were a 2001 Rams fan you would be blaming the 2001 choke job on the Pats' elite linebackers, instead of on Mike Martz.

No, if I were a Rams fan I'd probably still be blaming the same thing Marshall Faulk and Kurt Warner are because that's a lot easier than looking in the freakin' mirror and admitting you got *****slapped by an inferior talent who executed an ingenious game plan flawlessly for three and a half quarters and then played conservative but heady football on offense for 1:21 to replace your arrogance driven dreams of a dynasty with a dream of their own. Heck, even BB said to Ernie on their way off the field - can you believe we won with this team???!!!


The funniest part of all of this is how many of you were Maroney defenders earlier using the specific argument that Maroney's run blocking is bad for him, because the defense knows that when he is in the game he is definitely running, and the defense hits those run gaps harder/earlier. If you can understand this concept, then it's only a complete irrational bias to defend the passing game, that stops you from understanding why 75% of all season passing attempts from shotgun is a bad idea.

That would be Belichick who made that case. And it included runs by Maroney out of both the shotgun and not. But then again, we all know what a football maroon he is compared to a bright young football observer and visionary (not to mention prolific) message board poster like yourself, mav.
 
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Two different Patriot teams went 14-2 and won the whole thing despite leading the entire league in injuries to starters both years.

Previous coordinators were able to overcome pretty much any obstacle - injuries, refs, crappy talent, etc - and create a dynasty. More recent coordinators choke and everyone makes excuses for them - injuries, refs, crappy talent.


You are delusional and live in a fantasy world. Romeo and Weis would have won the superbowl every year from 05 to now right?

They also never failed and '02 never happened.
 
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11 games now into the season, I think this trend is still in effect.

At one point against the Saints, they showed a graphic on Brady and he was 12 for 35 passing (ouch).

When we run in shotgun, the opposing team is basically blitzing, not protecting any running gaps at all.

Wow, you could be right, except you are using a graphic about Bradys attempts and completes then attributing it to a factor you have no proof contributed to it. Oh, and on top of that, it was a typo he was 21 of 35. Wake up.
 
The same as most good quarterbacks are. Apply pressure and they have no time to go thru their progressions. Manning, Brees and Brady, all the same.
 
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