Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by Pats_2007, Dec 24, 2007.
What do you guys think of him? Is he a Good #2 CB or just average?
Just average, which isn't a problem.
Good to see "sorriest corner in the league" wasn't a choice
He's average, and he's young yet.
the phin TD where he got beat on a sideline out..there were two Patriot secondary players about ten yards in front covering NOBODY...did you see that?...I picked up on it on replay...Hobbs took the post away but had no help to the sideline...I think it was a busted coverage
I think Hobbs is a corner thats gonna win some battles but also lose some.. in other words good but not great.
merely average, certainly not as good as he thinks he is judging by some of the comments he has made in the past.
It's hard to judge as we do not know all the D assignments, on the TD was looking for a safety, but did not see one.. he makes a lot of good plays and is a team player playing on a team defense.
I've posted a question about Hobbs a couple of weeks ago. My biggest issue with him is that he hesitates or seems apprehensive about tackling. Last night he showed that same characteristic again. And seems to get beat several times also. I don't know if he's peaked or in some type of slump this year, but he is costing our defense.
I think we need to make sure that Asante is resigned (within reason) and either draft a corner or grab one in FA. I am scared to death of him being the #1 corner on this team.
At this stage in his career, Ellis Hobbs is exactly where Asante Samuel was at the same time. Remember that Samuel was considered a decent nickel back a couple years ago, and last season had a breakout year that caused many to wonder whether that was just an anomaly, myself included. Ellis is an aggressive, hungry, and committed CB with a career progression that's still on the upside. He's handled himself well this season, and like other players, has had some flaws in his game from time to time that he's corrected. He's going to be fine.
Edit: Corrected the spelling of Samuel's name.
This is exactly right--I think some have the idea that Samuel was considered elite years ago, which is definitely not the case. It takes most guys a couple years starting at least to get to the level they want to be at. If anything, Hobbs is ahead of where Samuel was at the same point in his career.
Average right now. I hope he can improve next season
nothing wrong with ellis. he is a decent #2, and he will step up to a serviceable #1 next year.
He is average at best, I would rather see Gay starting at the #2 spot. He gets burned way too many times for TD's.
I may be wrong here but I don't think the TD he gave up was all Hobb's fault. I think Merriweather was suppose to cover deep out where as Hobb's primary role was slant in. Merriweather looked like he bit on playaction and was way out of position.
But I would think Hobb's is at little above average. He doesn't have ints but he always is around the ball and does break up his share of passes. If qbs throw enough pass towards any CBs direction, they are bound to make some completion. With Samuels on other side and him having rep as top CB, Hobbs gets picked on far more than average NFL CBs, thus making him look pretty bad at times.
Hobbs is regressing as a player. I used to think he could be a very good player, and had gotten into arguments with some friends who thought he stunk. He played well in the AFCCG last year, but I think that's masked some of his deficincies. I've never seen a corner play so far off a reciever at the line of scrimage. He seems to get toasted a lot, and never looks very fluid when the ball is thrown to his reciever. He's average at best.
Sorry but I can't drink the koolaid on this one. Hobbs looks like a mediocre corner that gets burned fairly frequently. Maybe there's a reason that defenses decide to test Hobbs instead of Samuel... it's called attacking the weakest link in the defense. Sometimes I wonder if Gay wouldn't fare better out there. The Pats need to sign a decent FA corner or draft one to develop in 2008.
I think Hobbs is a solid #2 corner. He's good in coverage and thats the most important thing. He has some lapses, but what corner doesn't ?
If I have a been with him its that he could be better against the run. But the Hobbs bashers should realize there are plenty of plays where the coverage is tight on his side of the field. Do you think all of our sacks are due to pash rush? I would say a good percentage of them are coverage sacks, and I don't see Hobbs getting a lot of help in coverage, none more than anyone else would on this defense.
A good way to rate anyone is to imagine if he was available on the open
market & speculate how many teams would jump on him. I would say quite a
few. He is young and it's frustrating to see him get beat (badly some times) but
the last time I looked young corners tend to get treated badly in the NFL.
IMO, he plays too far off the receiver.
Sure you did - you saw Asante Samuel playing that far off and getting abused in 2005 until they replaced Starks with that rookie corner Hobbs and the secondary started to perform better...you've just let his 2006 4th year performance blank out the bad Asante memories.
BTW they play the scheme they are told to. If you have a problem with that, your problem is with Pees and Belichick. Ellis takes a lot of hits on here for being the last line of defense when 2 or 3 other guys blow assignments or because zebras can't decide amongst themselves what constitutes PI from one game to the next.
Exactly. You don't see the plays where Hobbs has good coverage, or the sacks that are created by good coverage all around. Hobbs isn't perfect, every DB gets beat from time to time. I don't think he's been beaten frequently at all. Also playing so far off the line has to be scheme. He doesn't have the instincts of Samuel but he does have good coverage more often than not. He also plays the ball well MOST of the time when it is in the air.
LOL this would explain why Belichick leaves him on the field for almost every defensive snap since his first as a rookie and says things like Ellis Hobbs is good for this team...
You nit picking nervous nancy's don't have a clue what you're talking about. You couldn't have traded Asante Samuel for a bag of used balls in his 3rd season in the league - maybe you missed that season, the one where according to the pundits we had "no secondary" with the likes of Samuel, Starks, Wilson and Sanders...
And the Koolaid Gestapo enter the fray!!
Oh mighty thought police, please do not deride us for exercising independant thought and judgment on an open topic to the forum!
Puh-leez. Has it ever occurred to you that the reason Hobbs is out there is that BB doesn't have a better option? If you deny that CB depth will be a need in 2008 please step forward. If you can't deny that, you've got to realize that some of the current players at that position aren't exactly setting the league on fire with their play.
Just like on one of the TD passes I forget, where someone else had blown coverage and Hobbs hustled all the way deep to ALMOST break the pass up. All you see on TV is the catch being made with Hobbs there, but you don't know everything that went into that play. Hobbs almost MADE UP for someone else's mistake and it's still a knock on him? I still love Hollywood Hobbs and know that he's solid.
People still are exaggerating with how often he gets beat. If it was all that often, we wouldn't lead the league in scoring defense
In case you've forgotten, football is a TEAM game. The scheme can help cover for Hobbs weaknesses with safety help, zones, etc. Even with that, it's still alarming the rate at which Hobbs is made to look like toast. Recent examples can be seen as freshly as last week's game. I think I like eggs with my toast.
YOu say things like "I wonder if Gay wouldn't be a better option" and Hobbs is regressing, average or below average. Yet you offer no proof, no analysis, nothing but speculation based on feelings. Independent thought and judgment is fine when you actually use THOUGHT and JUDGMENT, instead of baseless claims based on false perceptions.
Which one is it, do our backups suck or should Gay be ahead of Hobbs? I'm willing to bet that Hobbs is a Patriot starting CB for as long as he is here.
Remember last year when teams threw at Samuel a lot more than Hobbs? Samuel earned respect LAST YEAR by intercepting all those passes because of his instincts and reading the qb. He wasn't considered elite at the beginning of last year. But I guess we should have found someone else to replace him before last year, because ya know he was bad.
Why don't you tell me how often Hobbs gets burned? And then tell me which CB's in the league get burned fewer times. Seriously, he isn't perfect, but he doesn't get burned as much as you seem to think.
It's funny you say football is a TEAM game but any pass in Hobbs direction is all Hobbs fault. You are so backwards, it's not even funny anymore. You have proven to analyze things based on your feelings.
If negative stats on cornerbacks were readily available I would look them up.
The situational stats on Hobbs here tells me almost nothing about where/when he screws up.
It seems that sacks/ints/tackles are the only easily verifiable defensive stats tracked.
If you can find a database or stat that shows that Hobbs was burned less than the average NFL CB, please go ahead and present the data.
Otherwise I'll have to rely on what I've seen from watching the games, and it has not been pretty where Hobbs is concerned.
Hobbs is good in the regukar season. I think receivers catching the ball around him is a result of zone coverage.
He absoultely steps up in big games and I think he's been picked on for PI calls much like Asante was picked on in the Denver playoff game. Hopefully he gets his respect soon by the refs.
how many points did the pats give up last week or did I miss something? didn't they win the game?
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