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  1. PatsFanSince74

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    For perspective, let's all remember that it took Joe Montana NINE years to get his four rings and three SB MVP's. During that time, the "49er Dynasty" missed the Playoffs entirely once (albeit in a strike year) and went one-and-out twice.

    My feelings have been too raw all day to post much of anything about yesterday. AT 5PM all I can say is that, whether it was the flu or the Chargers game or the cross country flights or the heat in the Dome or the cumulative effect of a season spent adapting to the loss of key, long-term team members, the bottom line is that the Pats, to a man, looked gassed at the end of the game. They left nothing on the field. We should be proud to be associated with them as their fans.

    We've got two first rounders in April, a young O Line, a team that came together under adversity throughout the season and, oh yes, the best QB and Coach in the NFL.

    Like Montana and Walsh, we'll be baaack.
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    The points about Montana help keep it real.
    With all the crazy bounces and random factors, you just have to expect to be on the losing end of some of these really close games sometimes
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    Perspective is what is needed. This team has been rebuilt even as it wins.

    There were only 10 guys on the Team that were here in 2001, versus the 24 that the Steelers had in '79, their equivalent 4th SB year and six years after their first SB team.

    I would say this team is closer to going 19-0 then not making a Super bowl in the next three seasons.

    In fact I would say it was fair estimate to rank this team as perhaps the strongest of Belichick's Pats teams.

    It is certainly the youngest and most talented. yes that right Y-O-U-N-G-E-S-T. There was barely enough talent to win with the depth at LB, but it was sufficient, if all the Safeties weren't down as well. We were playing without the number 1, 2, 3, 5 and 6 safeties. Rodney, Geno, Hawk, Tebuckey and Scott represent an awful lot of talent to remove at only one position. In the second half after losing Hawkins, the starting safeties were Sanders and Rashad Baker (? Who dat?)

    That's why we were playing with our 6th LB, Alexander trying to cover their third TE. He was also making a botch of the inside run game as they ran at him ove rand over for good yardge. There was no one else. Every SB team but two has never had more than 8 people on IR. The only exceptions are the Pats, and even they never had 15 guys on IR, only to lose another starter in this game.

    With all the caterwauling about our ILBs, situation substitution n the obvious passing situations would have covered the problem, if the substitutes were available.

    A lot of the criticism of Bruschi is that he has slowed down. It wouldn't matter if he had two hands; this year he doesn't. It wouldn't matter if there were substitutes available in obvious passing downs. There weren't.

    They will add some depth at ILB from the draft, veteran FA and the hospital. Every other squad has plenty of talent and is young and getting better.
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    Perspective is what many of you need after such a close hard fought loss.

    As a Jet fan I feel no sorry for the Pats, after all you are AFCE champs, had a 12 win season, made it to the divisonal playoff, have 30 mil cap space, 2 first round picks, BB, etc., etc. Your future is a s bright as your recent past.

    Not much to whine about IMHO.
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    How old was Montana when he won this 4th ring?
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    Anyone?...
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    #12 Jersey

    I can't believe that I am about to agree with a Jet fan.:eek:
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    He was born in 1956 and his 4th trip to the SB was in 1990, so I am guessing he was 34?
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    Re: Perspective II (on schedule)

    More perspective.

    I would also add, that everyone thinks the AFC North and the NFC East will present problems for us in 2007. That is last year's pre-season talk.

    Sagarin's computer ratings (in USA Today) track team and division performance. The most accurate ratings occur after a season of play; they show that the AFC East, and the AFC South were the toughest divisions in football, in 2006.

    The AFC North fell below the AFC West. The NFC East barely beat out the NFC North as the weakest. Think ! The AFC East and AFC South had three teams each competing for playoff berths. We play the AFC North and the NFC East. I see no reason to believe that those two divisions that we will play in 2007 will get stronger, instead, I think they get worse, perhaps much worse.

    AFC EAST

    The Dolphins are going down, way down. The Bills may be better, but I think that the Jets have shot their wad. They won' t have a ridiculously easy 4th place schedule and Pennington has taken them as far as he can.


    AFC NORTH

    In the AFC North, the Steelers will be breaking in a new Coach who is aficionado of the midget defense and not the 3-4. They need a reliable big back and their receiving corps is nothing great. Rothlisburger has yet to demonstrate that he is a 3000, never mind 4000 yard a season passer. He needs a great running game to succeed: and a good one is not enough based on this years records.

    The Browns are advancing but at a glacial pace, but from terrible to merely mediocre.

    McNair is another year older, and he looked it, as is the Ravens core. And it wasn't enough. Boller is a mistake.

    Even the Bengals who should dominate, are having trouble with the tenth or is it the eleventh arrest of a hoodlum on their club.

    Why should this division be better? I see little in the way of great improvement from anyone, save the Browns in the immediate future.

    NFC EAST

    In the NFC East, what ever happened to the Pro bowl nobody? The Cowboys won't win with Romo and without Parcells. And they have TO to wreck, er wreak his "magic" in year two.

    The Redskins are on the way to the very bottom. No QB, no players, and no semblance of any depth, despite Gibbs coaching. Snyder has destroyed any prospects.

    There are organization and coaching problems with Eli, Coughlin and the the Giants, plus Tiki is retiring. Why should they be better?

    The Eagles look to be the best of the bunch but that is still a 1 team division. Even the Eagle have issues; McNabb can't stay healthy, and Westbrook is an awfully small back to take the pounding that the Eagles need, as there is no one else.

    Overall

    SD needs some major work like we do, but their problems are more acute as they will lose both starting ILBs who are older than our ILBs. Their secondary is filled with high and DUMB draft picks who don't play to their reps. They should still be in contention. Denver will still be breaking in QB but will profit from the 5 or 6 starts they gave him this season. Their famed Offensive line however is on it last legs and the Browncos have reverted to the form that made RAC throw them out. KC is headed for disaster. The Raiders will spend a year letting Quinn/Russell learn the hard way.

    Will Jax ever figure it out? The Colts fade to a merely barely winning team as competition in their former powder puff division firms up. The Colts are on their way down; it was easy to see they had major, major problems this year, It will show even more next year.

    The Bengals time is upon them; Will enough be out of prison to make a run?

    Prediction; I said 12-4 this past year in the pre-season. I predict 14-2 to 16-0 depending on the offseason. And HFA throughout, and a Super bowl invitation.
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    Minor correction, between SBs, the 49ers went one and done three consecutive years losing badly every time.

    Other than that I am in total agreement. NE will still be a force to be reckoned with for quite some time.

    What many forget is that, in addition to the two 1st rounders, NE will likely have 3 4ths, 2 6ths and 2 7ths (compensatory picks). No 5th, though. :mad: So they are not done rebuilding. If NE maintains there track record of hitting triples and homeruns in the first round, 50% of 2nds, 30% of 3rd and 4th and 25% of the rest....

    That means that next years draft will garnash 4 guys to help immediately and 2 for the next year. Add to that the improvement of this year's class and NE is set up very nicely. I have said it before and I'll say it again: If NE had not just had their run, many people would be picking them to be the *next* dynasty.
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    Re: Perspective II (on schedule)

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    It is not my intention to be a total troll.

    The Jets had the same schedule as the Pats except for 2 games one of which was against Cleavland and the Jets lost it, I realize the Jets had an easy schedule as did the Pats, and both teams will face a much harder schedule next year, to say the Jets were only succesful becuase of there sched is not fair.

    I think the Jets will maybe take a step back next year, but the wad is not shot.
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    Re: Perspective II (on schedule)

    agree here, the jets were also lucky with the injuries this year, but they have a good core, and they have a good coach, so I expect them to be in the mix.

    the Phins on the other hand are in deep S**t
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    All excellent points. The great thing about the Pats is that they don't stand pat, no pun intended. They continually look to improve the team to keep up with everyone else who is getting better.
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    Re: Perspective II (on schedule)

    The Jets snuck up on some teams. And they had career years from many players and few injuries. I can see them at .500 +- a game or two jsut like the Bills. I just don't see them leaping up to 12-13 victory seasons, and that was what I meant.
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    And may I add the players on IR who could contribute. The UDFAs who will be coming. The Pats have a good record on UDFAs. How about FA pickups. Also, the development of young players, such as Jabar, reche, Chad, David, Ben, Ryan, Logan, Ellis, etc. Looking forward to next season. Go Pats:rocker:
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    I stand corrected on the data. The 49ers indeed went one and out three times and they did it three years in a row. Here's the Postseason history of the Dynasty: Won SB XVI after 81 season (Walsh Coach; Montana MVP); didn't make playoffs after Strike season of 1982; Beat Lions in Divisional Game and lost Conferance Championship to Redskins after 83; won SB XIX after 84 season (Walsh Coach; Montana MVP); then three years in a row of one and done, losing the Wild Card round to the Giants after the 86 season, the Divisional round to the Giants after 87 and the Divisional Round to the Vikings after 88; Won SB XXIII after 1988 (Walsh Coach; Rice MVP) and SB XXIV after 1989 (Seifert Coach; Montana MVP). A nice precedent for our guys.

    The Dynasty lives. Tommy will end up with "one for the thumb" before this is over.
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    LINEBACKERS AND WIDEOUTS
    maybe a monster safety to learn from rodney.
    yep, missing 1,2,3,5 safeties accounts for a lot of ol' peyton's haymaking in the 2nd half. hobbs, scott and asante the great looked just fine at CB.

    but i can't stop thinking that if TB had either deion or givens out there, the dink-and-dunk passing game would have made it possible to close out the contest when we got the ball with 3:32 to play.
    6-yard passes, keeping the ball inbounds.
    not to mention that drop on the right sideline.
    ya just CAN'T let your 2 top WRs go like that. esoecially not with so much cap space.
    that goddam formula business obscured some common sense this year.

    a couple of good young LBs, re-sign rosevelt, and the D wouldn't be so vulnerable to fast TEs.
    but baby, please, please, at least one top-flight wideout. TB can't win with one hand tied behind his back. it was a glaring talent deficict sunday.

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