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    Brady looks like he spent the day at a spa after every game... He's only been sacked 10 times in 10 games... The Pats' top 3 runners have each averaged 4.5+ yards per carry. The team as a whole has averaged 4.1 yards per rush.

    I think it's safe to say this offensive line is one of the best in the history of the NFL...

    Thoughts?
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    Re: Pats offensive line... Best ever?

    This is the greatest Offense ever. The ENTIRE offense as a unit is better than any other in the history of the NFL. The best QB, O-line, WR, TE, (ok, not RB...).
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    Re: Pats offensive line... Best ever?

    I stated in another thread I thought the offensive line was this year's MVP.
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    Re: Pats offensive line... Best ever?

    It gets better when they have to cover Moss, Stallworth and Welker.
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    Re: Pats offensive line... Best ever?

    I would have to say that the starting point of the best OL ever is the team that scored the most points ever. Then include for the argument others that were close to the most points. From there you can argue one OL vs another based on who the skill position guys were, etc.
    I would have to say, unless the difference is small in point scored you would have a hard time convincing me that the best isnt the team that scored the most.

    After all, no offense can do anything without the OL.

    So I'd say, yes, since the Pats are well on their way to the all-time scoring record, this OL belongs in the argument as best ever.

    The funny thing is after 3-4 games, someone on this board was arguing that they didn't belong in the discussion of best OLs THIS YEAR>
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    Re: Pats offensive line... Best ever?

    Brady's insane pocket presence and ability to avoid the rush makes them look far better than the mostly average unit that they actually are. Logan Mankins and Dan Koppen are amongst the best, if not the best, at what they do, and Matt Light is above average, but the other two spots are pure vanilla. If anything, Dante Scharneccia is the MVP.
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    Re: Pats offensive line... Best ever?

    Cowboys of the mid ninties, hands down.
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    Re: Pats offensive line... Best ever?

    Definitely agree. Emmitt Smith was a great back, but there's a reason he's in the conversation for greatest back.
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    Re: Pats offensive line... Best ever?

    Very true...but in the beginning of the game the Bills were bringing the house. Somehow, Brady still had plenty of time to throw.
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    Re: Pats offensive line... Best ever?

    Brady does have an insane feel for the pocket...
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    Actually another Patriots team holds that distinction. The 1978 line helped produce 3,165 rushing yards. Still the league record. IMO that line is the best ever.
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    As much as I love the Patriots line the greatest ever is still the 90's Cowboys line.
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    Re: Pats offensive line... Best ever?

    Somehow lost on the game last night was that the Bills Did Bring Ita lot last night. And yet Brady stood in the pocket as though he was waiting to get on a bus....absolutely no hurry to get rid of the ball. He was so comfortable it was almost surreal.
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    Re: Pats offensive line... Best ever?


    Each separate element of the offense ranges from
    Good (right side of O-line; RBs) thru
    Very Good (TEs) to
    All -World (QB; WRs).

    Yet they fit and work together like a fine Swiss watch.
    It is the entire offensive TEAM
    that ... provisionally ... is the best ever.
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    Re: Pats offensive line... Best ever?

    I don't know what you mean by bringing the house. they tried a lot of different looks (the announcers mention four DEs as one), but i doubt they neglected to cover the aforementioned three plus Ben Watson. I'm happy with the pass protection.

    Remember, these are the same humans that were horrible in protection last year, according to many posters.

    With no personnel changes they're the greatest of all time?

    I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
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    I agree. This line is great but not even the best Pats line ever. As soon as I saw the first post, I thought of that line.
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    If we're talking pass protection, the KC line of a couple years ago was outstanding.
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    What about the Broncos of the late 90s and the Hawgs?

    I think it's pretty hard to rate them. I have no complaints with our guys. That's about it. They give Brady the time to do his magic, so what else can you ask for?
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    I would not say best ever. I think some of it has to do with other teams respecting our passing attack. But, it may well be the best offense ever. I would love to hear the thoughts of the Rams who claimed themselves the GReatest Show on Turf..This teams offense blows them away......
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    Not even close. They're not good enough in run blocking.
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    Re: Pats offensive line... Best ever?

    I definitely agree with you that there somewhere in the middle. Moreover, let us not forget that the Patriots were flat out mediocre in pass protection against the colts for the majority of the game.

    And by bringing the house, I mean I remember the Bills blitzing with a lot of guys in the beginning of the game. I don't have a video of the game, but I do have many mental pictures of the Bills blitzing a good amount of extra guys. Perhaps I'm wrong (or right).
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    Maybe one of the best PASS BLOCKING offensive lines - but not run blocking.
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    Actually, I believe that person stated on record that the Pats needed to play more games this year before we try to draw any conclusions. After three games with a TE on either side of the line most every snap, it is hard to leap to any conclusions. Especially when the history of the line in question was one of wild inconsistency. Acknowledging that the Oline played consistently (thank god) for three games in a row was a hell of a lot more rational than suddenly giving out Oline of the year awards after three games.

    Funny, I remember you telling us that we had won the superbowl last year in some long thread you started after the Chargers game.

    Amazing how people can be ass backward by leaping to conclusions, like you last year, and then trying to draw attention to yourself the moment you think you are on to something.

    You can count your chickens before they hatch, and for once in your life you will be correct this year because the team is that good. Doesn't take a genius to make predictions this year. Try not to use the team's success as some kind of prop for you to say 'I told you so' when you are only right once in a while. Especially when it requires that you purposely misconstrue somebody else's point of view. The fact is that nobody but a kneejerk fanboy talks about the best Oline of the year after three games. Especially when the rep of the line is toward drastic inconsistency.

    I would love to know what predictions you made after the third game of the year in 2002.

    And for what it is worth, I think that the best Oline of all time could have handled the Colts better with five on four. But I am not about to compare our Oline to every other Oline in history that played on every team in the last 88 years (since the fail safe method of some around here is to make a bold subjective statement with not a shred of proof and then ask you to do their legwork to prove them wrong, otherwise their opinion simply has to be truth even without anything to actually back it up).

    I think our Oline is doing a great job this year and that the evidence so far is that they are the best Oline through mid-season in pass protection. I have a harder time assessing our run blocking ability since we don't run much against an 8 man box, and we don't have a running back that carries the ball 25 times a game. Certainly looks good in the YAC category, but I personally find it hard to objectively assess our run game at this point except to say that our pass game sets up our run game really well.

    As far as judging an Oline by how many points the offense scores, you are simply discounting the level of QB play and skill player talent by doing something so mind-numbingly basic. The Oline is one part of a big picture, and the best Oline in history could well have protected the worst QB in history for all we know. I don't currently consider Maroney in the conversation of best running back of all time, but he does happen to play on this offense. So I guess your logic doesn't seem all that logical to me.

    The Rams of 2001 had one of the more overrated Olines in history simply because of the amount of points they scored. Turns out that only one of those guys was really elite, and they simply hadn't faced a good shut down defense in a while. They didn't play particularly well together in the superbowl when their back was against the wall.
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    Brady is the best qb.

    Belichick is the best coach.

    Oline is good, but def. NOT the best. The Pats could get MUCH better imo.

    Running game is mediocre.

    Wide out collection is VERY impressive.

    Watson is starting to REALLY be an asset, very good so far.
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    Oh! Come on!

    Don't you miss Tom Ashworthless and Brandon Gorinturnstile?
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    I could not agree more. The stats say it all.:cool:
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    No, but I still get a tear in my eye when I think about Grant WillYAMs. :D
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    iirc the Raiders oline from the early 70's had 4 Hall of Famers. this line will likely have 0.

    as other have said, they are excellent at pass blocking, decent at run blocking
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    I'd put the recent Chiefs teams ahead of us, too, before Roaf and Shields retired.
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    NO,I don't even think this is the best Pats o-line ever. I think some of the o-lines of the 70's were better
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