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2011 NFL Draft: Analyzing winners of 2011 NFL draft and Pats' shot at Andrew Luck - ESPN
I don't need to pay the $3.33/month for ESPN Insider to know that the answer should be NO.
NESN jumps in on the Andrew Luck to Patriots story:
Report: Patriots Could Target Stanford Quarterback Andrew Luck in 2012 NFL Draft - New England Patriots - NESN.com
lol what's the 'story' -- some guy wonders if the pats could take luck?
Negatory. You could have said at this time last year "Patriots targeting Jake Locker"? Makes as much sense. I don't think luck is that good anyway.
I like it. So Pats would have following for QB's just to prepare for eventual departure of TFB in 2016/2017.
Yes !!!! The perfect curveball from New England Redskins, err Patriots, to hand out 5 top draft picks, and then pay Luck $50Million guaranteed to hold a clipboard for 4 years, while Ryan Mallet will be the waterboy.
Seriously, people have nothing better to conjure up after last week's draft ?
That story just doesn't plain doesn't make sense. They start off by saying how Belichick is renowned for stockpiling picks year after year and NOT spending them on high selections, and that they just took the highest-drafted QB of Belichick's tenure -- a guy with franchise potential, and that Brady is signed through 2014. And from that, they conclude that the Patriots may be planning to spend their entire draft to trade up for a QB next year?
That's pretty much "it walks like a duck, it talks like a duck, it must be asparagus."
Yea, this is the plan after wasting a pick on that scrub Ryan Mallett who they rated #1 qb(over Newton & Gabbert). Yep Schefter has BB figured out, oh crap.
It makes no sense to mortgage your entire future for 1 guy and doesn't fit the mould of someone who has an economics major and a proven record of conducting business.
BB would absolutely take Andrew Luck in the 3rd round.
I heard a better,more realistic rumor that the Pats were interested in QB John Edward Moynahan coming out of the 6th round of the 2031 draft and are keeping close eye on a Senior star QB in high school name Benjamin Brady expected to be draft eligible as a junior in 2034
could we get an officila thread on each player the pats might draft next year?
RYAN MALLET is that guy...
sign a 5 yr contract to ride bench... DRUG CLAUSES IN IT.
HOYER WILL GET US A 2ND ROUNDER THIS YEAR. I PROMISE IT.
(A) Does this year mean before the 2011 season or after it?
(B) The previous CBA limited third-round picks to four-year deals, and the new one may limit them to three-year deals (with RFA status the fourth year).
Well, the Luck sweepstakes is now on in earnest. All it takes to win: ensure you lose more games than any other NFL team in 2011. Then you get to select the best QB prospect in the last 20 years or get paid a king's ransom for the privilege of switching places. Fun!
I'd find it ridiculously hilarious if the Panthers end up with the number 1 pick in the 2012 draft. There's a very good chance they will.
Unless the Panthers can give Newton some weapons on offence I like their chances of going back to back in 2012.
In terms of moving up to draft Luck in 2012, it would be almost impossible. Unless the Pats and Saints completely blow their 2011 seasons, both teams will likely be picking in the 20's if not 30's. So they would need to use both of these picks, plus their two seconds, and still need to trade at least 1, if not 2 more 1st round picks. And thats before we take into account the increased value of the #1 pick with a rookie salary cap and the increased value because its Andrew Luck going #1 overall. I think if BB really wanted to go after Luck he would have traded a lot more picks foreward, and with worse teams that are more likely to have high picks. This is just a classic case of the media over-analyzing moves when its completely unnecessary.
Everyone is assuming Luck will have a super year,but what if his last year is dreadful?
That would increase the chances of the Pats or Colts going after him
Given what we saw transpired this year for a receiver Luck's price for the number 1 pick would be an organizational killer. You get the number 1 pick you take him. It seems that simple at the moment.
Either way I'd love to see Carolina get the number 1 pick and David Gettis swap 12 with Newton so Luck can take it off him whilst Clausen stays in 2.
Luck will be the number 1 pick next year. It would take something rather amazing to beat him out of that spot especially given the bullshÃ®t Cam Newton sold the Panthers to go number 1.
**** Andrew Luck...this guy hasn't played a snap in the NFL..there is no guarantee that this guy will become an elite QB.
I'm fine with one of the best quarterbacks in NFL history running the show and trying to win a championship in 2012.
And that's the bottom line, because Stone Cold said so....
imagine if the Patriots somehow got another 1st rounder for a total of three and Carolina winds up #1 again. would they accept a trade of three 1st round picks for their spot?
If the Panthers do fall to the #1 pick then they can't afford to pick Luck as #1. Unless there is a rookie salary cap in place...but i doubt they would stay at #1. By picking Newton it's pretty obvious that they believe in his talent and they aren't going to drop him for 1 bad year.
The funniest thing would be if Clausen beats out Newton
Give up 3 1sts and 2 2nds and control of the draft for the next 3-4 years and that's value?
Oh please NFL and players get out of the courts and back to the practice field so we can escape this Season of Unbridled Conjecture And Senseless Speculations (SUCASS for short).
Oh come on Buchanty.. it's fun to speculate. My personal favorite is when some **** speculates on the stock market and shares fluctuate wildly upon that speculation. I love reading the craziest suggestion someone can find and then watching the fallout.
Speculation is great.
HAHA Well played
Hoyer > Luck
Us draft luck and mallet while losing 3 1sts and 2 2nd's....
I don't know whether the Pats should go after Andrew Luck or not. It's too far in the future and there's a lot of other stuff to worry us right now.
But, at some point, I think that we Pats Fans have to address a few questions that aren't easy to confront.
1) How many of those Lombardi's would be sitting in Foxboro without our HOF-calibre QB, Tom Brady? I haven't heard a whole lot of people say that they think Bledsoe, despite his stats, would have brought the Bling to Boston. In fact, quite the opposite.
2) What kind of a team with what kind of performance, even with BB at the controls, would the Pats have been over the last ten years without Brady? Matt took us to an 11--5 season, but that wasn't even enough to get into the playoffs that year. Would we have gone to five CCG's and four SB's with Hoyer or O'Connell or Cassel at QB? I think we all know the answer to that question is a resounding "no." With Bledsoe, the Pats would likely have been another "solid" team, in and out of the Playoffs, making threats at times, but likely never closing the deal, until his retirement in the mid/late 2000's. Think Ravens or even Eagles.
3) So, what do we think this team will be in three or four years, making the realistic assumption that, like virtually every HOF calibre QB of the contemporary SB era, except Brett Favre, TB's best days are well behind him when he hits 37 or 38? That's just four years from now.
I raise those questions because I think at some point we have to accept the fact that maybe the Pats will have to gamble on a top prospect, like Luck, if they are going to have the kind of team we all seem to expect.
Getting Tom Brady at a sixth round salary for two years was sheer luck, no pun intended. The Patriots didn't think they were getting one of the great draft steals of the century when they took him at 199; they were rolling the dice and Belichick has been honest enough to say that they assumed that "something was going on there" when LLoyd Carr didn't give Brady the starting job outright in his senior.
Are we, as fans, really hoping that lightening will strike twice in the same place, and that Belichick will be able to turn a Hoyer or an O'Connell or (now) a Mallett into a HOF-level QB who, by working with his system, will deliver Conference Championships and Rings and MVP trophies?
If not, will we be content with a "solid" team that is regularly competitive but rarely gets to a Championship game?
I think at some point the Pats will have to roll the dice again, this time for a lot more money, if they're going to continue contending for and winning Championships.
Remember. The Cowboys and Steelers are heralded as the two greatest franchises in the NFL, but it was 15 years between Staubach's last ring and Aikman's first; it was 27 years between Bradshaw's last ring and Roethlisberger's first. Is that what we want?
I think it would take probably Ryan Mallet, and I would assume at least 1st next year, 1st the year after, and several other picks to even get the awful team that gets the 1st pick next year to consider this. And I don't see BB doing that. At all.
Unless we can talk to Al Davis and manipulate Mallet's 40-yard dash time to be faster than Luck. Then we'll be good as gold.
No team stays at the top forever. 49ers,Steelers,Cowboys...it's inevitable. The best we can hope for is a few more championships from Brady before
our time is over.
Going all out on 1 player will not be some miracle fix. If Luck turns out to be a failure(bust,injuries,just mediocre,whatever.) we would be in a bigger hole and for a far longer time. The fact that we got Brady as a 6-th round pick and have him grow into the player that he has become is just amazing luck for us.
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