Patriots salary cap

[PatriotReign]

Restructure Ocho and save $1.4 million. Cut Gostowski and save $3 million. Trade Hoyer for a 2nd or 3rd rounder and save $1.9 million. That would put the Pats over $13 million. Save $7 million to sign vets for the minimum to replace these guys (even at kicker) and for rookies. That leaves them with $6 million. Put a full-court press on for Wimbley to sign this kind of deal:

2012: $6 million ($6 million guaranteed)
2013: $7.8 million ($7.8 million guaranteed)
2014: $10.1 million ($10 million guaranteed)
2015: $13.2 million ($4 million guaranteed)
2016: $17.2 million

Total: 5 years, 54.3 million, $27.8 million guaranteed

The cap is going up like crazy in 2014, so they can afford the rapid increases from there. Each year is the max 30% contract increase. He gets nearly $30 million guaranteed. He gets to play for the AFC's best team. It might not be as much money as other teams can offer, and he could be cut after 2015 with no penalty in 2016 when he's 32-33 years old if he's not productive.

If anyone should be cut it's Stinko. Losing Hoyer would also help but only if Mallet is ready.

 

[Don Kipines]

Cut Gostkowski?

More likely way to get cap space is make decision to insert Solder at LT and Light retires, creating $4.5 million. Restrucuring Ocho by converting $1.5 million of base into NLTBE incentives would also help.

Not sure they will throw big money at Wimbley. More likely they throw average money at Anderson/Carter.

Also, last season they locked up Mankins/Mayo. Season before Brady/Wilfork. I think their big money deals will go to their own core players like Welker and Chung. And to Gronknandez in 2013.

Hoyer likely sticks around one more year. Fans like me might think that getting a 2nd round pick now instead of nothing in one year is good value, but if he is #2 on the depth chart and the dropoff to Mallett is large, then letting him go weakens the 2012 Patriots. It all depends on how the coaching staff views Mallett's progression and readiness to be the backup.

They won't get nothing for Hoyer in one year. They'll get a comp pick for him for 2014, most likely. And if he plays better this year, who knows, it could be as high as a 3.

 

[DaBruinz]

They won't get nothing for Hoyer in one year. They'll get a comp pick for him for 2014, most likely. And if he plays better this year, who knows, it could be as high as a 3.

Someone would have to pay Hoyer in the 7-8 million per year range for the Pats to be looking at a comp pick as high as a 3.. I just don't see that happening unless... well.. you can figure it out..

 

[Urgent]

One interesting aspect of these cap calculations:

Pats have between $65-67mm in cap tied to offense.
Pats have between $38-40mm in cap tied to defense.

(Another $4mm in three specialists, another $11mm in dead money)

Huge overweighting in offense right now - about 70% more.
That constrains the defense.
Hopefully much of the draft can be targeted to defense.

 

[DaBruinz]

One interesting aspect of these cap calculations:

Pats have between $65-67mm in cap tied to offense.
Pats have between $38-40mm in cap tied to defense.

(Another $4mm in three specialists, another $11mm in dead money)

Huge overweighting in offense right now - about 70% more.
That constrains the defense.
Hopefully much of the draft can be targeted to defense.

All that tells me is that the Pats are more experienced on offense than on defense.. And, when you look, they are.

The "old guys" on the Pats defense right now are Wilfork and Fanene. Beyond that, they don't have anyone over 30 on defense. Which is a stark contrast to the offense which has numerous 30+ players.

Waters, Light, Brady, Lloyd, OchoCinco, Welker. In fact, the 3 highes paid players on the team are on the offense in Brady, Light and Welker.

Money differential doesn't necessarily mean anything. And you can't say it "constrains" the defense when you look at the defense being so full of youth..

 

[jason423]

If anyone is interested in an estimate for the rookie pool for the Pats just send me an email or reply here. I just need to know whatever picks you guys have and I think I can give a pretty fair guess. For the Jets its in the ballpark of 4.6 million in rookie cap dollars, but as you replace the top 51 players its only going to be a net of $1.8 million. I know New England likely has a ton of stockpiled picks so it could be more despite finishing with pick 31 in round 1.

Im hoping to have the cap pages for you guys updated by Tuesday or Wednesday depending on my schedule and when the deals all become official. I know Fanene hasnt even signed yet and Id imagine Lloyd wont be processed until Tuesday at the earliest.

 

[jason423]

All that tells me is that the Pats are more experienced on offense than on defense.. And, when you look, they are.

The "old guys" on the Pats defense right now are Wilfork and Fanene. Beyond that, they don't have anyone over 30 on defense. Which is a stark contrast to the offense which has numerous 30+ players.

Waters, Light, Brady, Lloyd, OchoCinco, Welker. In fact, the 3 highes paid players on the team are on the offense in Brady, Light and Welker.

Money differential doesn't necessarily mean anything. And you can't say it "constrains" the defense when you look at the defense being so full of youth..

In fairness having a top of the line QB is going to skew your numbers. Welker is overpaid in terms of cap dollars on the franchise tag which also skews it. Mayo and Wilfork are actually 3 and 4 in cap this year. I think with NEs cap you do see what is a really strong cap model- top 10 cap dollars going to a QB and 3 O-lineman. Thats a great way to construct the cap. I dont like the idea of a kicker in the top 10 and 2 wideouts though Id imagine Ocho is toast soon.