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Papelbon hasn't fallen off at all lol...
He had a slightly down year last year, but his numbers were still better than elite.
He is a top 3 closer in baseball..Top 2 actually and there is no legitimate argument against that.
Horrible example.
You continue to forget that I am not saying Revis will be an all time great (although barring injury there is no reason to not think so), just that he is the best right now.
If you wanted to proclaim Papelbon the best a few years ago, I dont think many would have had a problem with that.
Revis made the pro bowl in season two with no pass rush and that crappy bend don't break defense. Even after his rookie season people took notice of his ability. It's not like he had two crappy seasons and then turned into an elite cornerback.
He finally got a defensive coach that knew how to really use his skills. I don't really know what more you could ask a cornerback to do in his first three seasons in the NFL.
Wrong.
Asomugha plays one side of the field...He lines up against whatever WR lines up on that side...
He does NOT shadow number one WRs...They recently started talking about him starting to do that, but he has mainly been a one side of the field CB.
Revis is thrown on because he's more involved in the defense. Who gives a **** if Lance Long of the Chiefs lines up on the right and Asomugha is covering him? Why would Cassel throw his way anyway?
Huge difference in the two players. The players that Revis is ALWAYS covering have a much larger role to their respective teams than Asomugha does on some of the players he finds himself covering at times. Like when Malcolm Floyd lines up on the right against Asomugha with Jackson split wide to left against Johnson...Of course they aren't going to throw it to Floyd!
People need to educate themselves a little bit better on this situation. Don't take offense to that, it's just frustrating to see such ignorance on the matter.
What about Revis vs a young Randy Moss?
Advantage Moss......against any CB I have ever seen play the game....speed/hands/size his first few seasons were unlike anything I have ever seen on the football field.
What a minute, what are you responding to?
You said Revis faced the toughest competition anyone has in many years.
Comparing who he faced to one other guy doesnt really address that.
Secondly, picking out games and adding the stats of the guy you chose as #1 isn't very scientific either.
Was that the guy he covered? Did they play man or zone. What if all of Santonio Holmes catches were on the other side of the field against zone coverage? That negates your entire analysis. Didn't you post the number of catches that each allowed and Nmandi was less than Revis?
Are you seriously trying to get me to buy that Austin caught 7 for 145 in man coverage by Nmandi? That he covered Holmes man to man for 8 for 149 or Jackson 8 for 103 etc, etc.
If those are accurate them Nmandi basically sucks and shouldnt be in the equation. I dont think they threw as many passes to the man he covered all season as your are charging against him here.
At least you admit you need to be educated and it is frustrating that you are ignorant on the matter.
First, you do realize that, as I said, any primary WR will line up on QB's strong side a majority of the time. It is easier for a QB to throw to that part of the field so that is where they usually line up. It happens to be where Asomugha lines up. A primary WR may line up on the other side 10-20% at most for certain plays. Sometimes a WR may line up on the strong side and motion to the weak side, but since the Raiders play man-to-man, Asomugha would follow the guy in the situation. Tell me how I am wrong.
Second, do you have proof that Asomugha never shadows a primary WR no matter what side the WR lines up on. I don't know for sure either way, but I doubt that they will not put him on the best WR no matter where he is if he is facing a team with an elite primary WR and a crappy #2 WR.
I thought it was obvious I was addressing you.
I wouldn't go so far as to say "many". But "years" by itself is a good statement.
You made an argument that he was not "by far" the best corner in the league. Looking at the rest, the one guy that I could come up with as being close to him was Nmandi. Since I brought that up, it only seemed fair to compare their two seasons.
I didn't choose these receivers as #1. These were teams' default receivers and Revis blanketed them around the field all day.
Actually, this point helps my argument even more. I had assumed that, like Revis, Nmandi was assigned to the #1 WR on each team at all times but I was apparently wrong. For one, if he didn't blanket the team's big receiver, how can we be certain how much of an impact he had on the opposition's passing game? For another, if he didn't face the #1 WR then by default the amount of passes he faced from the opposition goes down whereas Revis, blanketing the WR1 all over the field, faced more passes and had more opportunities to shut his man down. By this logic, comparing Nmandi to Revis should automatically be stopped as there is either no way to do it or, if we are to do it, we should admit that Revis wins by default.
But the competition wasnt even NFL average, much less the toughest anyone faced in years. A lot of #1 corners faced tougher just last year.
I disagree with a lot of the other stuff, such as the perception that Revis played man to man every down and never had help, or the fact that Nmandi covered so well, he only had 28 passes come his way, because it is simply too complex a comparison to make in this kind of format, we'd need to sit down with coaches film and a bunch of beers to really get in at the level of detail this is heading in.
I just dont get why you think he faced tough competition, I see 10-11 games against weak passing offenses.
Look at this excerpt from that article:
Isnt it amazing that teams who win SBs dont get this big head disease, yet the Jets get it because the Colts laid down and let them finish 1 game over .500 and back in to the playoffs.
Imagine what would happen if they ever were really successful?
I attribute this to Rex Ryan and his unending desire to tell the world how great they are in some way thinking peoples opinions of his team matter, thereby making all of his players feel overrated and like they achieved more than they did.
I don't know how people don't see all the negative fallout that will come from his immaturity in the press a mile away.
You must have been watching a different Darrell Revis than I. Anyway, we'll just agree to disagree on this one.