OT: Larry Johnson rumored to be close to being released

[condon84]

Re: Larry Johnson rumored to be released

It has a lot to do with it actually. If he was rushing for more than 2.7 YPC this year with no TDs, I don't think he would be cut for twittering negative things about the coach.

We don't need an broken down RB with an attitude problem who probably isn't even good enough to be activated for games. Larry Johnson would become our worst RB if he was added.

Well, the main reason why they he's not performing well is because his OL is horrendous and apparently, according to him, his coaches' schemes. The tweets and using the word "***" plus his past history for malcontent are the main reason for his release.

 

[condon84]

Re: Larry Johnson rumored to be released

I noticed that too. Here is the right one...

Report: Kansas City Chiefs To Release RB Larry Johnson | Bleacher Report

Thanks.

 

[Kontradiction]

Re: Larry Johnson rumored to be released

Nope. Sperm Edwards ran him ragged. He's done.

On a side note, I smell another Maroney debate coming in 5, 4, 3, 2....

 

[PatsfanGlo]

Re: Larry Johnson rumored to be released

One of biggest knock against him I read is that he can't and won't pass block. With theme of blue print for beating Pats being crazy pass rush, I don't see him coming.

 

[Rob0729]

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Well, the main reason why they he's not performing well is because his OL is horrendous and apparently, according to him, his coaches' schemes. The tweets and using the word "***" plus his past history for malcontent are the main reason for his release.

The tweets were his final straw. Johnson was expected to get cut last offseason, but for some reason Pioli kept him around. Johnson tweeted because he is in Haley's doghouse for lack of performance.

Johnson is all about the excuses. Whether it is because white coaches don't have the right to tell him how to live his life to his o-line and the schemes are holding him back. Even with a black coach that got him in Herm Edwards, Johnson hasn't been very productive since 2006. Johnson is broken down and is unable to deal with the harsh realities of a power running back who was overused and abused running like a battering ram for Herm Edwards.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Re: Larry Johnson rumored to be released

Nope. Sperm Edwards ran him ragged. He's done.

On a side note, I smell another Maroney debate coming in 5, 4, 3, 2....

Please..........no more Maroney debates. There are already 3 threads dedicated to that issue. Let's keep them there.

 

[Kontradiction]

Re: Larry Johnson rumored to be released

Please..........no more Maroney debates. There are already 3 threads dedicated to that issue. Let's keep them there.

Like death and taxes, a Maroney debate is certain and inevitable.

 

[jmt57]

Re: Larry Johnson rumored to be released

I thought I was losing my mind with a serious case of déjà vu for a while.

The I realized this same discussion from a day ago had just been moved to the NFL forum.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...nded-indefinitely-chiefs-twitter-remarks.html

 

[BPF]

Re: Larry Johnson rumored to be released

Just because he is a malcont doesn't mean he isn't done. Even with a black coach that gets him unlike white coaches (those are his words, not mine), he had two crappy years his last two years under Herm Edwards.

Larry Johnson is just one of those bruising backs who breaks down around 30 because of the punishment he takes and the fact that Herm Edwards overused him.

I view 2007 + 2008 seasons as time off for him. In 2007 + 2008 he played in 20 of a possible 32 games and only carried the ball 351 times as oppossed to 2005 + 2006 seasons where he ran the ball an astonishing 752 times. Btw, in the 2005 + 2006 seasons the Chiefs finished 10-6 both seasons -- one year under Vermeil an the other under Edwards.

 

[VOODOOZF]

Re: Larry Johnson rumored to be released

I would take LJ in a second. Johnson is not the problem in KC. The problem in KC is the fact that they have one of (if not the worst) offensive lines in the NFL.

LJ would give the Patriots a potent running game.

 

[Ring 6]

Re: Larry Johnson rumored to be released

I think his lack of success recently has a lot more to do with his level of frustration of being in a losing environment more than a deterioration of his physical skills. When this kid is on, he is one of the leaugue's better RBs. He has great running skills, excellent vision and he's a big, strong back @ 6-1, 230 who is deceptlively fast. He runs hard and low and knows how to run behind his blockers -- he sees the hole really well. He's consistently, throughtout his career, made people miss once he gets to the 2nd level. He's also a solid receiver out of the backfield, look at his career stats. He's also a decent blocker. At the right price and Patriot style supervision as well as a low risk contract he's worth a look. He's not as good as Dillon was when the Pats acquired him but he can be a productive player in the right situation. I think the Pats have proven that they can handle players like this guy. I think the Pats would have some level of interest, players with his talent level don't ususally become available this time of year.

Larry Johnson

I don't know about any knee injury but he's had neck and foot issues in the past.

I've never understood the logic that the players on a team that are responsible for that team losing are only playing bad because they are losing and disinterested.
Larry Johnson is supposed to be the reason the Chiefs win games, not the guy who gets a pass for not giving effort becuase he is upset that his team cant win.
Plus, way, way more than half the players in the NFL (and i am 99% sure LJ is one of them) care a hell of a lot more about their numbers, and the payday that results from it than they do about winning.
If you gave every NFL player the choice between a 40 mill contract to go to a team that will win 12 games in the next 5 years, or a 15 mill contract to go to a team that will win the next 5 SBs, there is absolutely no doubt where the majority would chose.

 

[Rob0729]

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I view 2007 + 2008 seasons as time off for him. In 2007 + 2008 he played in 20 of a possible 32 games and only carried the ball 351 times as oppossed to 2005 + 2006 seasons where he ran the ball an astonishing 752 times. Btw, in the 2005 + 2006 seasons the Chiefs finished 10-6 both seasons -- one year under Vermeil an the other under Edwards.

Time off. Broken down. No big difference. The guy had "time off" because his body took abuse because of the punishment he got. We are talking a RB with serious foot and knee injuries. We are not talking a pocket passer like Brady with a torn ACL.

Johnson is done. If the Pats want to use him for 5-10 plays a game in short distance and goalline situations, fine. If you think you will get much more out of him, I want some of what you are smoking. The book on this guy going into the season was that he didn't have much left in the tanks because of the abuse his body took and nothing he has done this year has shown otherwise. He looks like Corey Dillon circa 2006. Maybe worse.

 

[Rob0729]

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BTW, Johnson was suspended twice last year. Once by the team and once by the league. He is at risk for a much longer suspension the next time he gets in trouble.

Belichick is white which means that Johnson probably won't want to come here because he has been very public about only wanting to play for black coaches. All of Johnson's antics and bad attitude problems will make it very unlikely for Belichick to ever consider him for employment.

The chances that Johnson comes to New England are zero and less than aero.

 

[BPF]

Re: Larry Johnson rumored to be released

I've never understood the logic that the players on a team that are responsible for that team losing are only playing bad because they are losing and disinterested.
Larry Johnson is supposed to be the reason the Chiefs win games, not the guy who gets a pass for not giving effort becuase he is upset that his team cant win.
Plus, way, way more than half the players in the NFL (and i am 99% sure LJ is one of them) care a hell of a lot more about their numbers, and the payday that results from it than they do about winning.
If you gave every NFL player the choice between a 40 mill contract to go to a team that will win 12 games in the next 5 years, or a 15 mill contract to go to a team that will win the next 5 SBs, there is absolutely no doubt where the majority would chose.

You mean like Corey Dillon. Football is a team game and the excellence of one player makes no difference when he is surrounded by very little talent. More players care about winning than you think.

 

[RobertWeathers]

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Time off. Broken down. No big difference. The guy had "time off" because his body took abuse because of the punishment he got. We are talking a RB with serious foot and knee injuries. We are not talking a pocket passer like Brady with a torn ACL.

Johnson is done. If the Pats want to use him for 5-10 plays a game in short distance and goalline situations, fine. If you think you will get much more out of him, I want some of what you are smoking. The book on this guy going into the season was that he didn't have much left in the tanks because of the abuse his body took and nothing he has done this year has shown otherwise. He looks like Corey Dillon circa 2006. Maybe worse.

I liken Johnson's career to the fmr Falcons/Skins RB Gerald Riggs. He had 3 monster seasons and by the time he was 27 he wasn't a feature back anymore and became a short-yardage specialist.

The key question is if Johnson (providing he is healthy, but can't take the continous pounding anymore) will assume that kind of a role. With that said, would the Pats use a roster spot for a short-yardage specialist with an attitiude issue? Not sure...

 

[BPF]

Re: Larry Johnson rumored to be released

BTW, Johnson was suspended twice last year. Once by the team and once by the league. He is at risk for a much longer suspension the next time he gets in trouble.

Belichick is white which means that Johnson probably won't want to come here because he has been very public about only wanting to play for black coaches. All of Johnson's antics and bad attitude problems will make it very unlikely for Belichick to ever consider him for employment.

The chances that Johnson comes to New England are zero and less than aero.

BB is a winner so the color of his skin means nothing. Players around the league respect his knowledge and his winning ways.

 

[RobertWeathers]

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You mean like Corey Dillon. Football is a team game and the excellence of one player makes no difference when he is surrounded by very little talent. More players care about winning than you think.

Dillon is a bad example. Cinci was going to cut him and rather wind up on the street, he renego'ed his deal to come to the Pats. At the end of 04, he made it clear that he wanted to get paid. Hence the absurd contract the team gave him.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Larry Johnson rumored to be released

IF Morris and Taylor are both done for the year, then it's maybe worth considering, and even then a younger RB without all the baggage might well be a better option. If either of those guys is coming back, then no way. LJ's near or below replacement-level at this point in his career.

 

[Rob0729]

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BB is a winner so the color of his skin means nothing. Players around the league respect his knowledge and his winning ways.

He's white and Johnson refuses to be told how to live his life by white coaches. Vermeil is a winner too and is respected around the league and was too white for Johnson. Johnson is a bigot and bigotry is not swayed by winning and losing. Winning doesn't change the color of Belichick's skin.

Besides, Belichick wouldn't touch this guy after Pioli dumped his arse.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Larry Johnson rumored to be released

You mean like Corey Dillon. Football is a team game and the excellence of one player makes no difference when he is surrounded by very little talent. More players care about winning than you think.

Funny you would use Corey Dillon as an example of one player no difference with very little talent around him when he carried the Bengals' offense for a half dozen years or so when they had no talent anywhere on the team. No the teams were never very good, but he prevented them from being 1-3 win teams year after year.