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    I think you saw the weakness of the Jets roster and their player acquisition strategy: It's very top heavy without much depth.

    It looks great (as has been touted on this board for the last few weeks) when you are one of the least injured teams. But lose a couple of players, and you quickly feel the effects. I don't have the link off hand, but someone posted that the Jets were one of the teams with the least number of games lost by starters.

    Not to say the Jets don't have talented players (Revis is the best defensive player I've seen in a long time), nor to say the Patriots haven't made mistakes in player acquisition (Adalius, Chad Jackson, not keeping some guys).

    But I thought yesterday's game was very revealing and it showed why the Patriots tend to favor a deep roster instead of having a few elite players at the expense of the middle class.

    Injuries are inevitable, and they caught up with the Jets yesterday. Thoughts?
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    Re: Jets Player acquisition strategy exposed yesterday

    I'm all for having a deep roster. The problem is it's deep top to bottom in mediocrity, for the most part. Especially at center and OLB (there it's just poor actually). MLB with Mayo's busted knee is pretty bad too. Why did they rush that guy back again? How dumb was that?

    Only place where teh Pats are top heavy with talent is WR. That BLEW UP in their faces this year.
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    Re: Jets Player acquisition strategy exposed yesterday

    Sure not every position had great depth. However look at the positions that are probably hardest to replace - the OL/DL and the Patriots have very good depth on both sides there. We had several injuries there and were able to sub in guys with a fair amount of success. Who replaced Kris Jenkins and how'd he do?
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    Re: Jets Player acquisition strategy exposed yesterday

    Sione Pouha, not sure how he did, OK I think.

    Our backups at guard are kind of weak. If we had a backup at center, I think we'd use him b/c Koppen is pretty weak. I think teh Pats know this.

    We have big problems at linebacker. I'd love to see Mayo in a 4-3, think he could be great.

    How about a big 4-3 where instead of DEs as passrushers we have 2 DTs penetrating, 2 DE setting the edge, playing 2 gap and OLB used to blitz from various locations but mostly either covering or blitzing and not having the responsibility to "set the edge". PRoblem is when we need people to do that...apparently there aren't any.
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    Rex Ryan will start drafting guys that fit his system and scheme.I wish he was our DC:rolleyes:
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    Not at the rate Mike Tanenbaum is burning through draft picks; they have 29 and 61, and then their next pick is below 150.

    Plus, unless there's a new CBA, they have to lose FAs in order to sign them.
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    I would agree - although there top end talent is talented. If I'm not mistaken they only drafted 3 players last year, but again Sanchez and Green appear as though they are hits, but they will be missing more picks this year from the Edwards trade - eventually that will catch up to them, but if they keep hitting on the picks they do make it won't catch up as soon as I'd like.
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    Imagine how much they wish they could have that Gholston pick back. . . .
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    Well the Jets did lose two prow bowlers for the year and still managed to make the playoffs.

    All teams have depth issues. I don't think your hypothesis holds, Welker?
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    Jets had one of the lowest number of games lost by starters in the league.

    Obviously injuries happen and not every position will have a great backup.
    No one in the league has a backup for a guy who has had 346 receptions and 3688 yards in three consecutive seasons. Also the timing was poor, as if it happened earlier in the season maybe they could've done better at incorporating other guys (Edelman, Faulk, etc) to help compensate for the loss of Welker.

    My general point is that I think people on this forum have gone way overboard in wanting to emulate the Jets strategy of trading away picks and signing high priced free agents. It's not to say it's always a bad strategy (See Revis, Pace), but like everything there is a Risk/Reward (See Gholston, maybe Sanchez).
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    ur right in a way, but our depth isnt very good anyways

    the jets have one of the top 2 cb's in the league as their #1,

    they have an average#2 cb,

    and the rest of the guys are horrible, which is why collie abused them


    if th epats have 3 WR's when playing the jets (assuming jets dont fix this problem) they are no threat
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    While I agree with you main point...the JETS lack of depth proved critical...especially in the secondary. Once Strickland went out we were left with Lito, Lowery, and Coleman. Manning took advantage and carved us up like a Thanksgiving Turkey.

    The other point about the Patriots favoring depth in the draft...in their position (perennial contenders since 2001) they favored value over the star approach in the draft. Smart move when Brady, Wilfolk, Seymour and the other defensive studs were on the roster.

    In 2006, when Tannenbaum took over the JETS our high talent was sorely lacking. The moves he made since has increased the high end talent but we lack depth in the secondary and both the DL and OL.

    Drafting for value would not have allowed a decent playoff run without the stars the JETS drafted and the many draft resources it took to acquire. If we want to take the next step Tannenbaum will need to address the depth issue that was so obvious yesterday.
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    This thread is just pure apologist crap. Any Pats fan would have given his left nut if the Pats had made it to the AFCCG this year, even if it meant having less draft picks next season. Why? Because with Brady and Belichick you have something that's called a window of opportunity.

    Maybe I'll make it even simpler: BB/Brady > Ryan/Sanchise. Surround the first two with medicore talent and you lose to every good team you face and get thumped by the Ravens in the Wildcard round. Surround Rex and the Sanchise with top shelf talent and they look like the greatest coach and QB in the history of the NFL.
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    And, unfortunately for y'all, that becomes harder when you only have five draft picks, AND no ability to sign UFAs except to replace UFAs you lose to other teams. . . .
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    This year, with the looming issues of a potential uncapped year? No sir.

    In fact, I'm not sure that the Patriots would have traded Seymour had a new CBA been in place.
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    But we don't really want to discuss HOW they made the playoffs, do we?
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    Don't gloat too fast. BB may trade down for later picks or 2011
    picks. The Jets can use some of their 2011 picks to get better
    players than the Patriots. According to the announcers yesterday,
    most of the Jets players are under contract for next year.
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    the jets have more talent then the pats at ever spot other then WR and QB


    the jets lost there best D line man and ther kick returner and still made it to the AFCCG


    BB traded the pats best D line man and kick returner and it blew up in there face.
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    It is hard to find the odd pieces to complete the puzzle...but the more difficult part is identifying the core building blocks...even after yesterday, I like the way we are built moving forward...:cool:
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    #51 Jersey

    Before the Rex Ryan lovers come out beating drums and pouring champagne, I'm rather sure this team was built by and large by Mangini. Credit where it's due. Tubby can tweak what he's been given to start with.
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    Re: Jets Player acquisition strategy exposed yesterday

    The Patriots have one of their poorest 53 man rosters in recent years.
    They can stand an upgrade almost everywhere. Just because the
    Patriots have 54 players under contract doesn't mean they have 54
    quality players.
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    What do you mean, I'll be talking about the Jets playoff run untill next season starts.
    I love that story.
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    Thoughts?

    Yeah, I have some thoughts.

    I think that if you think that the Jesters' player acquisition strategy is weak, then you must think that the Patsies' "strategy" is Special Olympics-sized retarded.

    I find it laughable that some people are disregarding a team that played in the AFCC while our own team couldn't win even one PO game, at home.
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    Because Jonathan Whilhite and Darius Butler would stopped Garcon, Collie, Clark and Wayne yesterday.

    And when Lawrence Maroney gets hurt it's so much better to bring in Sammie Morris rather than Thomas Jones.

    There's only 53 roster spots, the patriots depth is nothing to write home about.

    BB has lots of work to do.
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    Those who are saying the Patriots currently have poor depth (which is definitely a fair argument nowadays especially in comparison in the past) are missing the difference between strategy and execution.

    The Patriots have not executed their strategy of well lately but obviously the point is that they try to build team depth, not overpay for certain guys, move current draft picks for future ones etc.

    I'm trying to highlight that difference compared to the recent Jets strategy of putting all of their chips in a few guys. They have been relatively successful at executing this strategy of late.

    I give the Jets credit for making it further than the Patriots, but let's not act like they were world beaters either. They got hot at the right time and Sanchez stopped doing his JaMarcus impersonation.
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    Re: Jets Player acquisition strategy exposed yesterday

    Who ever it was played good enough for the unit to be #1 in the NFL and get the AFC Championship only to be beaten by one of the all time greats. Meanwhile the Patriots were destroyed at home in the first round.
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    Sione Pouha and Mike Divito rotated at nose tackle after Jenkins injury, and yes I think they did pretty good.
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    I like Mike DeVito, Guns. Plus he's a local dude who also attended UMaine. I wish that Bill had used one of his 7th-rounders on him (instead of the junk that was Oscar Lua & Mike Elgin), or at least made a stronger effort to sign him as a UDFA. Health willing, I think he'll continue to be an effective 3-4 DE (for you guys, unfortunately).
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    it's easy to pick like the jets when you pick in the top 5 every year. but i do think the pats have to get better at talent evaluation. there is no excuse when teams like indy get garcon and collie while we get chung.
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    Edleman stepped right in. The Patriots lost TOM BRADY last season and finished with a better record. The Jets arnt very deep at every postition but who is? If Revis goes down instead of Jenkins, No Playoffs for you. If this year Moss went down...No playoffs for us.
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