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  1. patsox23

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    while certainly not procluding the Patriots selecting the CB from Georgia, it's worth noting (and being a bit bummed about the fact) that Paul Oliver's agent's name has a familiar ring to it - Jason Chayut. Of the Deion Branch "Chayuts." Just sayin'.

    From what I'm reading on this kid, I'd risk a 2nd rounder on him. DEFINITELY a 3rd.
     
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    Does anyone have any info. on Oliver's pro day?
     
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    From what I have read, and his college success would lead me to believe that this kid may be the real deal and worth a 2nd or 3rd.. not sure he will be there though, if he is as good as he is supposed to be might go higher. The only question is, that if he flunked out of UGA, could he understand the depth of playbook.
     
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    It's been said before, but bears repeating. He did not flunk out of UGA. He lost his NCAA eligibility. You can do that in a number of ways, and I haven't seen an explanation why yet, although it's certainly possible I missed it. It's possible he didn't maintain the minimal GPA. It's possible that he took an incomplete and thus didn't have enough class credits. The NCAA has a much higher academic standard to compete in athletics than UGA, or most public schools, have to simply attend.

    I'm not overly concerned with a man-to-man cornerback picking up the playbook. He has a pretty simple job on every play in the blessed thing.
     
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    We have two 3rd rounders and I would use one on him. However if BB/SP think he's worth a 2nd rounder then I support that.
     
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    It seems to me that guys in the supplemental draft tend to go a couple rounds lower than everyone says they "should" go.

    I think that may be partially because at this point most teams are already realizing they are going to have to cut a couple good players. Unless they have a specific need or if they don't have 53 NFL-quality players, why add more at this point?
     
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    The AS situation. The fact that he could be gotten for a 2nd (which I think is what the pats will have to bid, I think others will put in a 3rd, and since we are lower in the draft order, would not succeed with a 3rd) and is 1st round material makes him "value". The fact that we have 2 1st next year makes it palatable to give the 2nd for him also.
     
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    On the draft board I think we determined we can bid either of out #3s so we have a high #3 from the Raiders.
     
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    Per Reiss, we would actually be using the 3rd rounder from Oakland, meaning we get their place in the draft order.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2007/06/oliver_a_twist.html
     
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    If the Pats really want Oliver, they could bid their 2nd rounder knowing that they have Oakland's high 3rd rounder and that it would only be 10 or 11 slots lower, at MOST, than their 3rd round pick.
     
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    That 3rd rounder from Oakland is high enough that it would force another team to use a second round pick if they really wanted to assure themselves of getting him. Has any team ever used a 2nd rounder in the supplemental draft????
    After watching him shut down Calvin Johnson last year (2 catches for 13 yds is shutting him down) and the other high WR pick (Minn's pick IIRC) he's got the bonafides as a cover corner, at least in college. If he can carry that over to the NFL.....sweet as they say....
    If the Pats are interested, would they let it leak or are they trying to force another team into using a high pick????
    Just my $0.02,
     
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    From the Herald... "flunked out" probably isn't fully accurate - but the reason he's not eligible is because of academics

    we've had good luck with Georgia players and at 6 feet he's got a lot of upside as a CB.

    As they say, if there's a player you want, you have to pick him before someone else does... if BB feel like he's as good as a 2nd rounder next year I'd be on board with that.
     
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    Don't they generally stay away from players with agents they don't like? That Chayut guy is a creep!
     
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    Rookie contracts - including those from supplmental drafts - are all going to wind up being slotted once the top draft picks sign. Although incentives can come into play there's not a whole lot of haggling on the guarnteed money.
     
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    It would be interesting if we drafted him. If the rumors were true that the Pats tried to get Branch to fire Chuyat, it could be a very contentious contract negotiations.
     
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    He's got a TON of potential. Roll the dice.
     
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    I think Reiss is wrong. I'll re-post what I have in the draft thread:


    First of all, it appears in a Gil Brandt column, which is certainly not the same as the NFL rulebook. But I think that this is being mis-interpreted by Mike. Logically, it would be the team that falls into that situation, not the pick of the round that was the original property of the team.

    In other words, whether the Raiders have the first pick in the round, or the last, they are in the group with the first crack at supplemental picks. Otherwise, why even bother setting up a three-tiered system? The NFL would just award the selection in accordance to the draft order. Their desire is obviously an attempt to help out the weaker teams. So in this specific case, maybe the Raiders forfeit their attempt to be in the first group of the third round bidders, but I doubt that the Patriots go into the pool as a replacement team. More likely the Patriots would be at the front of the line of the playoff teams.


    It would be BBs call. I don't know who else has traded their third-round picks, but let's say that everybody except Oakland has their original pick. If I understand the process correctly, if he bid Our original pick, that would put us #27 priority. In other words, If none of the 26 teams ahead of us bid a third round pick, we would be awarded the player.

    If we bid Oakland's pick, that would give us the #20 priority, leapfrogging the Jets, Chiefs, Cowboys, Saints, Seahawks, Giants and Eagles.

    Then balance the fact of where the Raiders pick is likely to be next year vs. the Patriots. It could easily be the #65 pick vs. the #96 pick. And so Belichick would have to decide whether leapfrogging those seven teams would be worth a potential 32 draft places. My guess is no, and that unless he thinks Oliver is truly a special player he'll bid the Patriots pick.

    Now, knowing this, why not bid out the second rounder instead? The difference between the Patriots second rounder in 2008 and the Raiders third rounder could easily be 1 pick. Probably less than 10, so the value per pick bid would be much greater. To use round numbers, let's say the Patriots are drafting #30 and the Raiders #5. If the Patriots successfully bid their own third rounder, they'd be left with draft picks #12(49ers), #30, #62, #69. If the Patriots successfully bid the Raiders third rounder, they would be left with #12, #30, #62, #94 with a slightly improved chance of getting Oliver. If they bid their second pick, they would be left with #12, #30, #69, #94, with a much, much greater probability of landing Oliver.

    Note that this exercise is done with the assumption that within the three tiers, teams are slotted by inverse record from 2006. It is possible there is a random lottery process to slot them instead. If so, there's no benefit to bidding the Raiders pick.

     
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    Given the DB issues over the past few seasons, it sure would be nice to have some young depth there. For the price of Oakland's 3rd, I'd say go for it - if he is still, there and the braintrust thinks he can contribute.

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