Official: Patriots have the 33rd Pick (first in 2nd round)

[MNF]

So, how did the Patriots end up with the #33 pick? Let's follow the bouncing ball!

- In 2009, the Patriots held the #89 overall pick. They traded it to Tennessee for their 2010 2nd rounder, which became the

- 2010 #47 pick. The Patriots traded this to Arizona for

- 2010 #58 & #89. The Patriots traded #58 to Houston for

- #62 and #150, with which they drafted Brandon Spikes and Zoltan Mesko.

- The Patriots traded #89 to Carolina for their 2011 2nd rounder, which became

- #33 this year.

To summarize, patient trading turned #89 in 2009 into Spikes, Mesko and the 2011 #33.

This just is not fair. How does BB do it time and time again? I love it!

Then you have King criticizing BB's draft strategy of trading picks back in '09. What an idiot.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Excellent Summary, what a fleecing! Now imagine what BB is going to do with 30 other teams callng him looking for that #33 pick (I ASSuMing that BB just says "FO" when the Jets call). I smell someone's #1 in 2011 plus a 3rd rounder this year. SO kep the above summary around, because I think there will be more added to this!

The Patriots actually extracted a #2 and a #1 from the Ravens for their #19 overall pick in 2003. The Ravens picked Kyle Boller.

The Pats turned those picks into Eugene Wilson in 2003 and Vince Wilfork in 2004. Kyle Boller or those 2 guys? Yeah. BB usually gets the best out of any trade. Let us just never speak of the Chad Jackson pick over Greg Jennings. And yes I had the wool pulled over my eyes too. I thought CJ would be a stud. Boy was I wrong.

 

[Uncle Rico]

I actually calculated value of Pats' draft picks going in and what they ended with (I may be wrong on some of this; I'm sure folks here will let me know if I am):


Had going in:
1 -22 [780]
2 -44 [460]
-47 [430]
-53 [370]
4 -119 [56]
6 -190 [15.4]
7 -205 (c) [9.4]
-229 [2.5]
-231 [2.3]
-247 (c) [.85]
-248 (c) [.80]
-250 (c) [.70]
Total value: 2127.9


Picked
1 -27 (McCourty) [680]
2 -42 (Gronkowski) [480]
-53 (Cunningham) [370]
-62 (Spikes) [284]
3 -90 (Price) [140]
4 -113 (Hernandez) [68]
5 -150 (Mesko) [31.4]
7 -205 (Larsen) [9.4]
-208 (Welch) [8.2]
-247 (Deaderick) [.85]
-248 (Weston) [.80]
-250 (Z Robinson) [.70]
2011: #32 [580]
Total value: 2653.35 (difference of about 535, or equivalent of ... #37 for free)

Edit: Based on Jimmy Johnson's famous chart, FWIW.

 

[billdog3484]

I actually calculated value of Pats' draft picks going in and what they ended with (I may be wrong on some of this; I'm sure folks here will let me know if I am):


Had going in:
1 -22 [780]
2 -44 [460]
-47 [430]
-53 [370]
4 -119 [56]
6 -190 [15.4]
7 -205 (c) [9.4]
-229 [2.5]
-231 [2.3]
-247 (c) [.85]
-248 (c) [.80]
-250 (c) [.70]
Total value: 2127.9


Picked
1 -27 (McCourty) [680]
2 -42 (Gronkowski) [480]
-53 (Cunningham) [370]
-62 (Spikes) [284]
3 -90 (Price) [140]
4 -113 (Hernandez) [68]
5 -150 (Mesko) [31.4]
7 -205 (Larsen) [9.4]
-208 (Welch) [8.2]
-247 (Deaderick) [.85]
-248 (Weston) [.80]
-250 (Z Robinson) [.70]
2011: #32 [580]
Total value: 2653.35 (difference of about 535, or equivalent of ... #37 for free)

very interesting analysis. i love how you did it.

to me, you know, it looks as if we are fleecing these teams, but if all it amounts to is an extra #37 picks 2 years later, maybe its not as good as it seems

i dont know. i just hope we do well this year. need help in a lot of places

 

[Uncle Rico]

very interesting analysis. i love how you did it.

to me, you know, it looks as if we are fleecing these teams, but if all it amounts to is an extra #37 picks 2 years later, maybe its not as good as it seems

i dont know. i just hope we do well this year. need help in a lot of places

Well, to me it shows they went in with a lot of picks, essentially made those (or higher value) picks, and gained #33 this year. Pretty impressive. You'd have to do a team by tam analysis of draft pick value before and final to compare, but I think the Pats did mighty well.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

very interesting analysis. i love how you did it.

to me, you know, it looks as if we are fleecing these teams, but if all it amounts to is an extra #37 picks 2 years later, maybe its not as good as it seems

i dont know. i just hope we do well this year. need help in a lot of places

Just wanted to add onto that intriguing post from Uncle Rico. First, the pick wasn't accumulated 2 years later. That's the gain from a single draft alone.

Second, our "starting" draft board was inflated to begin with due to years of great draft strategy. Assuming no trades or deals into that season, the #22 team has a starting draft chart value of 1416.7. We started at 2127.9, a 711.2 increase. That's the equivalent of an extra 1st rounder (26th overall, 700 points) before any deals are even made.

Third, don't misconstrue or underestimate the #37 pick. It just means we've accumulated enough points to get a premium pick. It could very easily have calculated out to a late 2nd-rounder plus three 3rds. #37 is a big deal. The value at that pick is worth more than what was traded for Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Santonio Holmes, or Antonio Cromartie, and is almost equal to 2 late 2nd rounders. Without that value, one of Gronk, Cunningham, Spikes wouldn't be on this team.

 

[Patriot Missile]

I actually calculated value of Pats' draft picks going in and what they ended with (I may be wrong on some of this; I'm sure folks here will let me know if I am):


Had going in:
1 -22 [780]
2 -44 [460]
-47 [430]
-53 [370]
4 -119 [56]
6 -190 [15.4]
7 -205 (c) [9.4]
-229 [2.5]
-231 [2.3]
-247 (c) [.85]
-248 (c) [.80]
-250 (c) [.70]
Total value: 2127.9


Picked
1 -27 (McCourty) [680]
2 -42 (Gronkowski) [480]
-53 (Cunningham) [370]
-62 (Spikes) [284]
3 -90 (Price) [140]
4 -113 (Hernandez) [68]
5 -150 (Mesko) [31.4]
7 -205 (Larsen) [9.4]
-208 (Welch) [8.2]
-247 (Deaderick) [.85]
-248 (Weston) [.80]
-250 (Z Robinson) [.70]
2011: #32 [580]
Total value: 2653.35 (difference of about 535, or equivalent of ... #37 for free)

Edit: Based on Jimmy Johnson's famous chart, FWIW.

Nice find

 

[Uncle Rico]

Nice find

Thanks -- it was a lot of cross-referencing and math-doing, so I hope I got the original picks info right.

What's striking is how quickly the values drop, especially after the fourth round. It's quite an accomplishment to have gained so much value in a draft.