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    Reiss has this on his blog. I think there are some very interesting numbers here:

    Offensive snaps for 2010 season - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

    Thanks to Mike Reiss for charting this all season, and people should give the man his due and click on the link to read his analysis.
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    Re: Offensive snaps for 2010

    Reiss has been great for this all year long. Kudos to him for the effort!

    Gronk having that many snaps makes sense from a strategy standpoint (with Alge being mostly a blocker and Aaron being mostly a receiver, Gronk is the only TE who would fit both roles equally well), it's still surprising that he was able to make that kind of contribution as a rookie. Way to go Gronk!
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    Re: Offensive snaps for 2010

    I've had to eat crow in many threads here, so I'm going to pat myself on the back for calling for multiple TE sets and less spread/gun since long before we even drafted our TE studs.
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    Re: Offensive snaps for 2010

    I think those numbers tell us a lot about the offense. I look particularly at:

    1.) Gronk being behind only Brady in snaps taken

    2.) Branch overtaking Tate despite coming late to the party

    3.) Woodhead not being far behind BJGE despite coming to the team late
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    Re: Offensive snaps for 2010

    As I pointed out in the Woodhead thread, Woodhead had almost as many snaps as BJGE despite missing the first two games and most of the last. When he's played, Woodhead actually is on the field more than BJGE.
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    Re: Offensive snaps for 2010

    Which makes BJGE's 1000 yards even more impressive :)
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    Re: Offensive snaps for 2010

    Faulk and Woodhead combined are a little behind BJGE and Taylor combined, but just a little. 48% vs. 44% That's why I assert the Faulk/Woodhead role is about as important as the traditional RB role, and hence why I think there's roster room for both Faulk and Woodhead in it.

    Branch and Moss combined are very near Welker, around 70% each.

    I'd say the default set is:


    • Brady
    • Gronkowski
    • Welker
    • Branch
    • Hernandez (when healthy)
    • Whichever of BJGE or Woodhead makes more sense.

    But as we know, there's huge variation around that.
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    Re: Offensive snaps for 2010

    I would say that the 2nd TE is whichever of Crumpler and Hernandez that makes more sense.

    Also, I was interested to see that Tate was in on almost 50% of the defensive reps.

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    Re: Offensive snaps for 2010

    If you told me back on Labor Day that Faulk, Morris, Taylor and Maroney would get on the field for less than 1/4 of the Pats' offensive plays this year and then asked me to bet an over/under on 13.5 wins this year, I would have taken the under regardless of the odds.


    I wonder if Mark LeVoir gets a bonus for actually getting on the field this year?
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    Re: Offensive snaps for 2010

    Reiss now has the defensive snaps, and his analysis in the link below:

    2010 Patriots defensive snap count - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

    Based on who got the most snaps, I guess the Pats base defense is now a 1-5-5 rather than a 3-4. Of the six players on the field most often, they were all DBs with the exception of Jerod Mayo.
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    Meriweather played the third most snaps, you say? Clearly he is a liability, and should be jettisoned with all deliberate speed.
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    Re: Offensive snaps for 2010

    Our "base" defense is the 3-4. In the 3-4, it is not unusual for the #2 DL to have only 45% of the reps (as Warren did last year and Warren did this year). The unusual thing about this year's line numbers in that Wilfork was in there so much.

    As yes, as would be expected from a 14-2 team, we were in the nickel a lot. Because of our weakness at CB depth (Wilhite #4 and no #5), the safeties got lots and lots of work.

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    Apparently it is only Belichick, the staff and the probowl voters who value Meriweather's play.

    Posters here know much better.

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    Yet the much maligned James Sanders put up similar stats in fewer snaps while Chung put up better stats in fewer snaps due to injury as opposed to losing his starting slot due to attitude adjustment. Go figure...
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    Excellent argument. By that logic, we can conclude Suh is pretty much the greatest player ever while Wilfork is a notch above pedestrian.
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    If you add up the totals for each position group, and discarding the two offensive players, you end up with:

    Code:
    DB 	5224
    LB 	4335
    DL 	2550
    which works out to
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    DL	2.3
    LB 	3.9
    DB 	4.7
    per snap. So a 2-4-5 big nickel.
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    From the defensive list, and then include special teams, I would be willing to bet McCourty played more snaps than any rookie in the NFL and more than almost all players in the NFL. Rookie wall?? More like a 3' fence.
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    Shhh... no matter how sarcastic you are, I wouldn't put it past this place for that narrative to catch on. Considering how quickly they turned on Seymour, turning on Wilfork isn't exactly out of the question.

    Agreed. though; anyone who solely uses stats to compare safety play probably isn't worth listening to. "My guy got more interceptions and tackles so he's better herp derp!" Bottom line, Belichick wouldn't have Meriweather on the field for 80+% of snaps if he thought the guys behind him could do his job better than he could.
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    If anybody is interested, since we already have offensive and defensive stats, here are some special team stats too.

    Slater leads way on special teams - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

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    Re: Offensive snaps for 2010

    Thought Ninckovich and Warren played more.

    Cunningham and Chung would have played more except for injuries IMO.

    Meriweather brings a lot of athleticism, anyway. Interesting to see which way he goes attitude wise, I think he's at a crossroads. Almost glad he got that questionable pro bowl nod, he needs to learn to keep his head size under his hat size anyway.
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    Special teams...glad to see Slater producing there. I think a couple ST only players are enough. Page, Morris and others get little time, but can play when needed. I'll never forget our DB situation against Carolina (SB) when we lost Rodney and Wilson, it was damned scary.

    Wish we had another CB, though.
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    Re: Offensive snaps for 2010

    Two cornerbacks have been placed on injured reserve this year:

    Bodden
    Wilhite

    Meanwhile, Wheatley was cut earlier this season.
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    Meriweather has been benched in two separate games this year. As for his playing time, the following summarizes the status of the Patriots safety position this year:

    Josh Barrett - Injured Reserve
    Bret Lockett - Injured Reserve
    Brandon McGowan - Injured Reserve
    Jarrod Page - missed 6 games
    Patrick Chung - missed 2 games
    James Sanders - missed 1 game

    Personally, Patrick Chung should have been nominated to the Pro Bowl not Brandon Meriweather.
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    1.) If you want to call Meriweather not getting the start a "benching," go right ahead. Unwittingly, though, you may have just underscored how that would make the number of snaps he played all the more impressive.

    2.) So that would mean that, when all four of the top safeties were healthy, Meriweather wouldn't get the start. Right?

    Look, I like Chung as much as anyone else, but for some reason he gets a free pass around here on his mistakes (e.g. allowing the same TD pass twice to Blair White) while Meriweather gets excoriated if his dreadlocks aren't conditioned thoroughly enough.
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    Patrick Chung was forced to play slot cornerback due to the Jonathan Wilhite injury and the Darius Butler benching. Meanwhile, Patrick Chung is only in his second season while Brandon Meriweather is in his fourth season. Brandon Meriweather was a first round draft pick while Patrick Chung was a second round draft pick. The expectations of a first round draft pick is higher than a second round draft pick.
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    Chung was the 34th overall pick and Meriweather was what? 24th I think? The expectations are not THAT much greater just because he's technically a 1st round pick. If (fingers crossed) we win the Super Bowl this year, will you have greater expectations for our 32nd pick than for our 33rd pick? One's a 1st rounder after all.
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    Second year player versus fourth year player. Doesn't two additional years in the Belichick system count for anything?
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    Irrelevant. Even if Chung ends up the better player, as he very well may, that doesn't change my initial assertion that Meriweather is better than people around him give him credit for. Period.
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    Sure does. And I think Chung will be (and might already be) a better safety than Meriweather. But I fail to see how that makes Meriweather a bad player, simply because someone on his team might be better than him.
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