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    I wonder if he might get some play this week against the first team. He was in starting with the second drive last week and looked pretty good. He played about a half, I watched him on every snap last night. He really just had a couple of poor plays, one on a batted down ball where his guy didn't bat the ball but was a serious part of the pressure on Cassel. And then on a blitz he helped double an inside guy while letting the outside guy rush free - I assume this wasn't the correct decision.

    Other than those two plays, though, he took his guy out on the pass rush nicely, got some good push on the run blocking and even got to the second level a couple of times on run blocks. With Kaczur's disappearing act so far, I would love to see O'Callaghan get serious reps with the first team as the possible starter at RT.
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    Ryan is a keeper.

    He dropped to the 5th round because of his medical history (shoulders), but he's held up well in camp so far. If Ryan contines his progress, Gorin will be shown the door.
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    Belichick/Pioli really know how to find those late round/ Free Agent O-line nuggets. Koppen in the 5th round, and now O'Callahan in the 5th. Guys like Andruzzi, Gorin, Hochstein & Neal were all free agents. Only Light and Mankins were drafted in the 2nd round & higher. I would love to see a line of LT-Light-LG-Mankins-C-Koppen(Hochstein)-RG-Neal-RT-Kaczur(O'Callahan). If O'Callahan proves to be the real deal, I'd love to see him start by next year, he's a massive mauler. If Koppen & Kaczur aren't ready for the regular season, I'd feel very comfortable with Hochstein & O'Callahan at center and right tackle. For some reason I'm not a big Gorin fan, though I believe he was a starter in SB 39. I am a big Hochstein fan, very versatile, and a true team player.
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    Does anyone have an opinion on the play of Wesley Britt? I saw that Mruc played most of the other snaps at C, and was weak. I don't like him at all. It was hard to tell who was who at the other positions, no thanks to the senile Enberg and that bozo Cross. How in the world does that clown have a job?
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    I'm pretty high on Britt as well, he was very highly rated coming out of college, but had some injury problems. If he's healthy, he could become a stud backup, or potential starter down the road.
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    I was intruiged with Britt and curious to see how he'd do this year, but it seems that O'Callaghan is drawing more praise. I have been busy watching the linebackers, haven't had a chance to watch the o-line yet. (Ridiculous how this web site has changed the way I watch games.) I don't care either, I just want one of those two humungo monsters to be that roadgrader we need.
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    hmm who would win matchup at RT..O'Callaghan or Kazcur..obviously not Gorin

    Light-Mankins-Koppen-Neal-?

    Either is a huge upgrade over Gorin so should be a nice.semi young OL
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    Same here...it seems like they're being used differently, with Britt acting as 2nd-team LT with Kaczur out. Then there was the one mysterious mention of Britt lining up at center (and having a little trouble with his snapping, no surprise!)

    O'C is not at all a "traditional" Pats-type RT...a stout, powerful run blocker rather than a more agile type like Kaczur or Ashworth. (Before the draft someone here pointed out how Pats OL draftees tend to have exceptional vertical jumps; O'Callaghan jumps just 25" compared to 31.5" for Kaczur and Mankins.) But paired with the best-looking RB lineup this team has ever fielded, he could be mighty interesting.
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    do lineman really need to be jumping? Hes 6"7..hes HUGe and very powerfull. cant wait to see him play more
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    I saw an article within the last week saying Britt is not doing so well in camp.
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    All true, but how well did he perform against the falcons? Depending on Kaczur's health, and how the RT situation shakes out, Britt could end up as the #2 LT, his college position.
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    I noted Britt was in for Gorin at LT in the middle of the second quarter in my last offensive breakdown, he did his job from what I could see. I'll try to have more info as I resume breaking down the second quarter and second half. Bear in mind we don't have a good handle on his opposition at that point in the game. I also note that reports have had him sliding down the depth chart behind Gorin and O'Callaghan at RT, and it isn't good when Gorin is your #2 LT...
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    "...and it isn't good when Gorin is your #2 LT."

    You are correct, sir. It isn't good. At all.

    What's the deal with Kaczur, anyway? His shoulder/s?
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    Kaczur injured his shoulder last season, came back, and reinjured it, I believe he had offseason surgery and since he injured himself in December (to the best if my recollection) his time to heal has been much shorter.
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    And his shoulder was the reason he didn't play in the Denver Debacle. Besides the turnovers, and the subsequent disgraceful officiating, the presence of Gorin at RT and Ashworth at LT, instead of Ash at RT and Kaczur at LT, was the biggest factor in the loss.
    Do we even know if Kaczur's recovery is on schedule?
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    According to Fanball quoting the Globe, O'C was taking snaps with the first team offense Monday.

    PFnV

    ps... should we just start calling him The OC?
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    I'm sure it's tracking somewhere, just not on our radar - in such situations I've heard that "it is what it is." Seems that way, anywho...:cool:
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    And on Tuesday, according to Reiss :

    "* Rookie Ryan O'Callaghan continued to see extensive work at right tackle with the top offensive line."

    Looks like he's the likely starting RT for now, let's see if he holds onto it over the next 3 preseason games.
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    Well maybe it's a waste of Brady's talents for it to continue this way... but something deep down in the ol primal gut says POUND THAT ROCK... It's a nice change from last year when teams assumed we couldn't run the ball (Denver frinstance.) Not bad to see the draft (look like) it's going to be mainly hits rather than misses (as in, first season contributors.)

    PFnV
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    It wouldn't waste his talent, they showed Brady's QB rating when throwing off play action last year and the number was incredibly good. Get him a kick ass running game, use it, throw off it and you'll have a better QB who throws less.
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    Now if we can just get some WR for him to throw to. It's killin' me that Jackson has basically missed training camp, when he would have had such an opportunity to practice in the system.

    Last year teams knew we couldn't run, so they could overload the pass defense. Could we see the opposite this year? No big threat at WR (I know we're good at TE) so they can keep another defender in the box and stuff our otherwise-good running game?
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    With this running gameand the TEs we have, we can get by with second and third tier receivers, they will have a better chance to get open if the SS is down in the box. I'd worry more about out pass blocking at RT, O'Callaghan needs TE help more than I'd like. But you've got to love his run blocking.
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    I still can't get the idea out of my head that OC was moved up to practice with the first team because he was being showcased for the Dallas scout for the potential trade.
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    RE Gorin actually. As much as we are underwhelmed by Brandon, the Sporting News Ultimate Pro Football Scouting Guide has him listed as the 51st best Tackle in the NFl and classifies him as an Adequate Starter. He's apparently superior to Britt in the Swing Tackle role to inferior to Kaczur in that same role. O'Callahan is apparently a RT/RG tho he seems to be making a push to start at least until Kaczur is back to full speed. This is turning out to be quite a succesful draft!
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    I guess the constant beat down Gorin receves on this board has tainted my view of him. I also am suspicious by the fact that OC was moved to first team right when the scout came, despite their being no reported injuries or otherwise to the guys previously ahead of him on the depth chart. Just seemed like more than a coincidence to me. But at the same time Dallas is in need of OL help right now, and despite OC having more upside he is still raw and inexperienced, while Gorin is much more polished and developed. This could all very well be moot because there is nothing saying that the Dallas deal is even going to happen.
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    I'll hazzard a guess and say it's because he stinks.
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    Experience shows that you need to have a fair amount of patience before you count your chickens in a draft. To a lesser extent, you sometimes have to be patient with players who develop slowly (would Bruschi come to mind ?) but the patience that Belichick apparently shows so long as a player is improving each year appears to pay off many times.

    That having been said, YES - this draft DOES seem to a REALLY good one doesn't it ?? My oh my. Got to stop drinking that Koolaid and be more realistic. Got to stop drinking that Koolaid and be more realistic. Got to ...... ;)
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    Peace. :rocker:

    While it concerns me when the Sporting News and I agree on a Pats player, I can honestly say going into a season with Gorin at RT doesn't frighten me. It is the line spot that right now needs the biggest upgrade, but if Gorin is our weak spot, we're still thinking Miami in February.

    O'Callaghan is taking first team reps because Dante is building depth, and we have a backfield that is truly looking awsome. O'C is already a better run blocker then Brandon. Dante and BB are preparing the O-line for potential losses by getting our first team players used to their back-ups. Until 'Kac is bac', our 1st OT off the bench is O'C. Hochstein is our first G, and he's already getting reps at C.

    So "peace be unto you" Dallas is going to need to cough up a 2nd rounder or equivalent if they want some O'C, and I can't see even Jerry Jones being that spendthrift.
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    I agree, we nailed this draft from everything I see. Caveat: stating the obvious here, but Jackson, at this point, is nothing but potential. But all indications are that just about every other pick will be productive, immediately, all the way down to the almost-irrelevant (in most years) 7th round. Andrews, O'Callaghan, Gost, and Maroney, I believe have already shown enough to merit high optimism, and Mills and Thomas are close behind. Jackson's hammy is the only thing that keeps him off this list -- but given the situation at receiver, it's highly likely he'll contribute significantly in year one.

    Now um let's see what happens in our second preseason game before they all go in the HOF.

    PFnV
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    That appeared to be speculation since O'C was getting snaps at ROT only, while Britt was backing up Light and taking sanps at LOT. Anyone will tell you that the first test is to see whether the O-Line candidate can play the critical LOT position. When it is clear that he cannot, then they get assignments somewhere else. Britt did well enough to still get backup work at LOT, as has Gorin who did pretty poorly at it.

    Taking sanps at LOT, even reserve ones, is a great recomendation rather than a ding of any sort.

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