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  1. Tunescribe

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    #61 Jersey

    NFL Network's Jamie Dukes conducted a study of league fan bases using criteria of merch sales, how well fans travel to road games, etc., and announced the top five:

    (1). Steelers
    (2). Packers
    (3). Cowboys
    (4). Giants
    (5). Patriots

    Pretty interesting (and a bit surprising, though pleasantly so).

    :rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker:
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    I think Jamie Dukes "conducting a study" may be a bit of an overstatement. ;)
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    though i believe the rankings, the only network jamie dukes is qualiied to be conducting studies on is the food network.
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    Seems to me if you just thought about the NFL and named the first 5 teams to pop into your head you'd come up with the same list.

    Steelers, most recent SB winner
    Giants, Best NY Team, very popular
    Patriots, Decade of Dominance
    Cowboys "Americas Team"
    Packers "Favre, Favre, Favre"

    I like the Criteria including Away Crowd. Steelers win for just that alone.
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    #61 Jersey

    I know, but he did say he researched it, so it must be based on "something" besides drawing names from a hat.
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    I suspect that "research" probably involved photographs of cheerleaders. . . . :singing:
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    #61 Jersey

    If that was the case, we'd be behind San Diego.
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    I don't buy it for a second. If anything, the top fanbases are the ones that are still selling out the home stadium week in and week out even though the team is awful.

    Any list that doesn't have the Redskins on it is a joke. They've sold out every home game for the last 40 years, even though the team has pretty much sucked for going on a decade. That seems like far more of a testament to the fans than the fact that the Boston sports scene can be convinced to care about the Pats whenever a dynasty comes around.
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    If that was the case 31 teams would be behind San Diego.


    And Pittsburgh would be dead last, along with Detroit and Cleveland.
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    No way. I'd say we're bottom 10.
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    Haha, yeah, literally. I still want to see that Matt Walsh tape where he was filming the Chargers cheerleaders behinds.
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    No, I'm sure what attracted Dukes to Pittsburgh was the cheerleaders. ;)
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    Disable Jersey

    If YOU lived in that godforsaken hellhole, you'd travel away too!
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    That's what I was thinking. Much as I love the Pats, I know that they weren't exactly beloved by their home base through all the years.

    However, it could be argued that it's just that, unlike in Wisconsin, there are other things to do in New England. ;)

    Seriously though, the first time I went to NE I had a bit of a rude awakening. It was 2004, the Pats were two-time SB champs and on their way to winning their third (and second in a row), but I realized that even with all those accomplishments the Pats would always take a back seat to the Sox.
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    Yes, and as he moved from #5 - the Patriots to #4 - the Giants, he said "staying in New England, we have the Giants..."

    Mike McDermott of the Projo picked up on that too. It got quite the chuckle out of me.
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    So that makes us bottom 10? New England is huge, it's not just Massachusettes. You're going to have your die hard Sox fans, but we have a pretty solid, represented fanbase. Someone brought up the Redskins, well they may suck now but it's due to their past thats built their following. Once the Pats got the right owner in 94', everything changed. I think we have good fans, I don't quite get the whole thing about holding the Sox popularity against die hard Pats fans.
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    Wow. Pats ahead of Washington? OAKLAND?

    Jamie Dukes is a fcking idiot. He's the one who claims that if he could build a franchise around one player, it would be Mike Vick.
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    As a Pats fan I can confidently say that the Pats have some of the worst fans. ****y, arrogant, bandwagoners, etc. It sucks.
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    #18 Jersey

    I was referring to lack of crowd noise, spoiled (booing at inopportune times) and uneducated (football-wise) fans, and bandwagoners. Of course we do have some great fans, but I'll be very interested to see what happens after the team isn't good for a few years.
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    I don't think the Patriots have a bad fanbase at all (haven't they sold out for like 15 years straight?); I just think it's hard for them to be #1 in New England when there are 3 other major sports teams with rich history. Not many other places have as many teams that are as historically recognizable and great as the teams in New England.
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    Redskins break attendance records, bring in some of the highest revenue in the NFL through merchandise and other means and they don't even break into the top five?

    Seems like Jamie's study session was more like his imagination whilst having a dump in the NFL studios.
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    That's because it was 2004, and something so historical was about to happen. I went to the Skin-Pats game in 2007 when the Sox were playing a clinching game in the WS that night, and the focus was all Pats...
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    I have lived in Eastern Massachusetts my whole life, I'm almost 30, and I don't get the Giants thing. I get that they had fans around here before 1960 when they were the closest thing on TV, but that was a loooong time ago. I didn't grow up knowing A SINGLE Giants fan. And until the Super Bowl in February 2008, to me, they were just another very dull team from the NFC that I didn't think or care about. Yeah, they are on FOX sometimes and I know there is some history from 50 yrs ago from playing in Yankee Stadium and all, but are they really one of the top NFL franchises? I just don't see them in a class with Dallas, Pitts, and GB. Hell, when you go to NYC, you hardly ever see anyone wearing any Giants stuff. And since they lost to Philly this year, they are never heard from in national media stories. I just don't get the big deal with that team......to me, they seem to have a large bandwagon fan base, sellout streak or not (that stadium sounds VERY quiet on TV)
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    Buffalo, cough cough. For a decade of terrible football and one of the bigger stadiums in the league despite a "terrible market", we've probably had less than 10 non-sellouts.

    Additionally, the Giants isa joke. They play in New Jersey but are right next to the biggest city in the US. How hard is it to have sellouts and a "rabid" fanbase? Gimme Kansas City or Denver over them anyday.

    Plus, any list without Jacksonville on the top is a joke. They are die-hards. :D
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    Well, let me explain what I was trying to say. Now that the Pats are on top, one of the most common things you hear from other fans is "Yeah but where were all the fans before 2002?" And yes, we all know that every game since Kraft bought the team has been sold out. But if you go back through the years, there were plenty of times when the stadium was far from full and you couldn't give tickets away.

    Unlike other people though, I don't blame NE fans for being fickle. The team was terrible for many years, and when it was good it didn't seem to last for more than a few seasons at a time (until '94.) But the thing is, I know for a fact that plenty of Packer fans are the same way. Yes the stadium has been completely sold out for decades, but when the team's not so hot a good number of season ticket holders sell their seats to people who just want to see a game. I know a season ticket holder, and he said that while he was happy when the Packers finally started turning things around in the early-mid '90s, it meant he lost some good friends he had at the stadium because once the Packers were actually a good team the people who held the tickets suddenly decided to start going to games again.

    And like was mentioned, there's the historical perspective. In Boston you had the Sox, Celtics and Bruins, three teams with long histories. Then there were the Pats, the new kid on the block who played way down in Foxboro.

    Every team in every sport has its share of diehard fans and its share of fairweather fans. Some have more than others in either category. But as I get older, I've just learned that there's more to life than football.

    Sorry I'm kinda rambling again.
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    You weren't driving that Weinermobile near Milwaukee were you? ;)
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    I have a lot of thoughts on this debate.

    1. Any study on the best fan base is open to wide interpetation. You can make arguuments that Cleveland, Philadelphia, Denver, Oakland, Washington, or even Detroit as being the best fan bases if you measure different items. People forget how Eagle fans outnumbered us at Super Bowl 39 by a lot.

    2. If you look at the history of the five teams mentioned, there is one common item. It is long periods of WINNING before the developed a loyal fanbase. The Steelers and the Patriots franchises both won their first championships in their 42nd seasons. You could not give Steeler tickets away before their dynasty. The Pirates dominated Pittsburgh since they were winning championships.

    In addition, the current fascination with the Red Sox fan base started around 1967 when they won the pennant for the first time in 21 years. The Red Sox have only had five losing seasons since 1967 and only finished in last place once. Like the Steelers, people paid little attention to a franchise.

    3. People who say the Red Sox fan base is greater than the Patriot Fan base is fooling themselves. How do you explain that fact the Pats kill the Red Sox in head to head TV ratings every time they play? Simple. The Pats are more popular than the Red Sox although the media establishment would like you to think otherwise. Having the Boston Globe as your owner can influence a lot of people.

    4. The Pats watershed moment occurred in 1994 when the Kraft's bought the team and they ended the 1993 season on a big winning streak. Similiar to the Steelers and the Red Sox, the Patriots have only had two losing seasons since 1994. The long streak of success has built a huge fan base
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    Agreed over the Giants. A lot of Buffalo's games are blacked out every year, despite hovering around .500 most of the time. And Oakland? They play in front of a half-empty stadium by the 3rd game of every year! Look at it this way - our lean years were early on, Oakland's lean years are now, so when teams win, stadiums and fan bases grow, and when teams lose, people aren't into it as much. We have a longer sell out streak than Philadelphia does (by a longshot), and they are always competitive. Can you name 10 better fan bases than us?

    Carolina?
    Atlanta?
    New Orleans?
    San Diego?
    Indy?
    Cinncy?
    Arizona?
    Houston?
    MIAMI? (another team that has played to small crowds for years now)
    Jets (look at that stadium at kick off - there are 1,000's of those ugly orange seats that no one shows up for if it even rains - I noticed this while watching the Denver game in NJ this yr)
    Jacksonville?
    Minnesota?
    St Louis?

    If any of these cities had as bad football teams for as many years the Boston area had, they would have packed up and moved. The fact that we had 30 yrs of awful football here and didn't move anywhere (despite specuation) is a testement to the local fan base. Bob Kraft realized the fan base was here for a hugely successful franchise, all he needed to do was find a way to extract it out...
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    #12 Jersey

    IMO, that would be because the Sox play 162 games in a season, and the Pats play 16. If you miss one Sox game, it's no big deal- they played on saturday, they may play again on monday, and they will play again on tuesday, so you can miss them on Sunday. Hell, I'd consider myself a pretty diehard Sox fan, and I miss over half of their games (living out in LA, it's difficult to catch them regularly). I never miss a Pats game, though.

    With the Pats, OTOH, if you miss a game you've lost 6% of the season all at once. I know a lot of people who are far bigger Sox fans than Pats fans but who always watch the Pats when they're H2H for that exact reason.
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    #18 Jersey

    The Pats never had more than 10 years, let alone 30 years, of awful continuous football, which is the key to building and maintaining a fan base. And they still came as close to moving as can be.
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