Welcome to PatsFans.com

NEINsider posts again on ESPN's message board

Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by Rob0729, Mar 27, 2008.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Rob0729

    Rob0729 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2006
    Messages:
    33,576
    Likes Received:
    1,476
    Ratings:
    +4,254 / 46 / -16

    Ok, I am beginning to think this guy is full of crap, but since his posts generate a lot of discussion here is his latest:

    http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb/mb?sport=nfl&id=nwe&tid=2568176&lid=11

    One thing I do agree with is that I think Walsh, Levy, and Specter never want Walsh to talk and that the implication that he has the goods on the Pats is probably far more damaging than anything he has. I don't see any upside for the league to stall this thing anymore than it already has. They don't want this whole Spygate thing to linger into next season and even if Walsh has the good, it is better to get it over with now that the NFL is slow and most of the sports attention is on baseball.
     
  2. ALP

    ALP Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2007
    Messages:
    7,631
    Likes Received:
    45
    Ratings:
    +114 / 4 / -0

    maybe you dont believe him, but he writes convincingly...

    also, i like what he says :D
     
  3. Sicilian

    Sicilian Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2007
    Messages:
    5,341
    Likes Received:
    281
    Ratings:
    +934 / 3 / -4

    I agree, and think of it this way... if you do believe the anti-pats movement is using the tactics above (the "looming" evidence theory), then what better way to fight back then to spread the seeds of our own story?

    Even if this person has no actual inside knowledge, what he says makes a lot of sense most of the time, and as we've seen, the nationwide perspective isn't based on the "truth" anyway.
     
  4. BradyFTW!

    BradyFTW! PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2007
    Messages:
    18,108
    Likes Received:
    520
    Ratings:
    +1,603 / 20 / -4

    #12 Jersey

    The point about how the data is processed is an interesting one. If it's true that nobody in the league 'investigation' thought to even ask that, then it just further shows how much of a joke the whole thing was.
     
  5. Rob0729

    Rob0729 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2006
    Messages:
    33,576
    Likes Received:
    1,476
    Ratings:
    +4,254 / 46 / -16

    I don't know. Michael Felger went over his first post point by point on his radio show a few weeks back and he disputed some of the media stuff that he knew first hand was wrong or at least not 100% correct. I really don't think you needed to be an insider to provide any information from this last post.

    This person could be the real deal. But if it is, it would have to be someone pretty close to Belichick and Pioli. I can't see them not knowing who it is based on the information leaked (or at least have a good idea of a small list of suspects) and allowing it to go on. I don't see the upside for the Pats for leaking this stuff.
     
  6. Rob0729

    Rob0729 PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2006
    Messages:
    33,576
    Likes Received:
    1,476
    Ratings:
    +4,254 / 46 / -16

    I would agree, but NEInsider is preaching to the choir. It isn't like any of this stuff is getting picked up outside of New England. Other than a few internet sites and Michael Felger's radio show, I haven't heard the media picking up this stuff either. I think if they were fighting fire with fire, they would leak it to people like John Czarnecki at FoxSports (they no doubt leaked to him that the tapes turned over to the league had video evidence of other teams cheating) who could give these things a national forum and add a little weight to the story rather than an anonymous poster on a message board.
     
  7. ALP

    ALP Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2007
    Messages:
    7,631
    Likes Received:
    45
    Ratings:
    +114 / 4 / -0

    hes not leaking any info that would give other teams advantages....i would not be surprised to know that BB and Pioli may know about it, and not try to stop it
     
  8. Sicilian

    Sicilian Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2007
    Messages:
    5,341
    Likes Received:
    281
    Ratings:
    +934 / 3 / -4

    That's probably the point of posting on espn.com. The problem is, there is zero motivation for anyone outside of NE to give the story legs, so on that point you're absolutely right.
     
  9. BradyFTW!

    BradyFTW! PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2007
    Messages:
    18,108
    Likes Received:
    520
    Ratings:
    +1,603 / 20 / -4

    #12 Jersey

    I could come up with a bit of a conspiracy theory, and say that the guy, if he's legit, could be posting with Belichick's knowledge as a way of getting the Pats' side of the story out while bypassing a) any gag orders on Goodell's part that we may not know about, and b) the bias of the media. Admittedly, that's pretty far-fetched, and no, I don't think that that's the truth, but I really doubt someone this close to BB would be posting this info against his wishes. Almost certainly, the guy possesses some insight, sure, but is lying about being a team insider.
     
  10. sebman2112

    sebman2112 In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2007
    Messages:
    4,518
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    A lot of what this guy says doesn't really provide much info you can check for credibility, and some of the other info he gives is actually recycled. There's also some commentary thrown in that appears to give team info, even when it may just be an opinion, or assumption.

    One contention I believe he previously made was that NE intended to move Meriweather to CB? That's something we can come back to later, and check for accuracy.

    As it is, I don't think this person is actually a team "Insider", but maybe a writer who covers the team in some form? Possibly based out of CT...

    Also, some of the stuff he says plays to some of the things us Patriots fans would all like to believe, so it makes it easier for his post to pass our scrutiny.
     
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2008
  11. Keegs

    Keegs In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2006
    Messages:
    4,935
    Likes Received:
    10
    Ratings:
    +12 / 0 / -0

    everytime that something he says is copied and pasted to this forum, i enjoy reading it.

    Maybe i'm not reading enough threads, but his stuff is always interesting, entertaining, and "new".

    Please keep posting this stuff.
     
  12. Wildo7

    Wildo7 Totally Full of It

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2007
    Messages:
    8,876
    Likes Received:
    36
    Ratings:
    +49 / 16 / -3

    I agree, whether this is true or not it's cool. If an actual insider were to post something, I think this is exactly how it would sound. Plus the whole mystery zodiac killer deep-throat aspect it is entertaining to me also.
     
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2008
  13. Koma

    Koma Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2008
    Messages:
    974
    Likes Received:
    56
    Ratings:
    +193 / 0 / -2

    Agreed. Most of the media comments about this aspect made the assumption that the tapes could be synched up and the signals cracked during halftime. I haven't read or heard of any pursuit of this angle, that is, asking a coach if it really could be done and the mechanics behind it.

    Then again, very few members of the media mention that signals can be changed, which would nullify any advantage from taping them.

    I did find this quote kind of odd:

    If the team has this cutting edge technology, why were they using tapes instead of digital recorders? (Please note that I have no idea what recording equipment is available to a NFL team, so maybe the camera and tape they were using was the best available. From my perspective, when I hear "tape" in terms of video recording, I'm not thinking "sophisticated.")
     
  14. Wildo7

    Wildo7 Totally Full of It

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2007
    Messages:
    8,876
    Likes Received:
    36
    Ratings:
    +49 / 16 / -3

    I think people use the word "tapes" generically to mean video recordings. Notice he doesn't actually use the word "tape" in that sentence.
     
    Last edited: Mar 28, 2008
  15. PonyExpress

    PonyExpress In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2006
    Messages:
    4,624
    Likes Received:
    21
    Ratings:
    +25 / 3 / -0

    I believe this guy is legit. The fact Felger disputes it strengthens my belief.

    This gives me more confidence in Meriweather, which is a great feeling. I really hope he is what the poster believes, because it would be a godsend to this team.

    As far as Walsh goes, let him keep his silence. Maybe he'll get hit by a bus in the meantime.
     
  16. Marko

    Marko On the Game Day Roster

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2008
    Messages:
    370
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    No, I think they actually use tapes. That's why there were only so many games because they said they would tape over the old ones. I found this odd as well, because everything is digital these days, it's not like the quality of the picture really mattered. Plus if BB was thinking they were really performing some sort of subterfuge a digital camera would be the way to go because you could erase it all with a few button pushes!
     
  17. sebman2112

    sebman2112 In the Starting Line-Up

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2007
    Messages:
    4,518
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    It shouldn't take that long ("Day+") to decipher defensive signals and match them up to game film, if your intention was to get the info as quickly as possible.

    Remember, some teams have used backup QB's to figure out defensive signals In-game, and some Ex-players & coaches have said they could figure out defensive signals by the end of the first quarter, or the first half. These players and coaches weren't aided by the use of Camera's, either.

    So, if you've already got some experience, I wouldn't expect it to take all that long to break the opposing teams code, and process the video as described. Think about it, you can rewind the game film, and watch the same plays multiple times, while comparing them to the signals you've recorded. Also, if the camera's panning up to record the down and distance between plays (as the Patriots did) then it would be very easy to sync the tapes, and watch them simultaneously. Even with a decent editing unit you'll have two large monitors going, and software capable of playing both videos back in real time, one on each monitor, or both on the same monitor.

    Now the "Insider" did say it was a "low priority", which could possibly explain it's taking that long (it wasn't time sensitive material), but I would think that info could be processed a lot quicker, if needed. And, he made it sound like it simply takes that long ("day+"), even with the most expensive equipment.
     
    Last edited: Mar 28, 2008
  18. BelichickFan

    BelichickFan B.O. = Fugazi PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    31,927
    Likes Received:
    286
    Ratings:
    +781 / 18 / -23

    #24 Jersey

    I read :

    "We have the most sophisticated audio/visual software in the world and it takes a full day+ to map coach signal watching video to game video and then decipher what defense was called by the live coach. This is done by low level video assitants because it has little value."

    it taking so long "because it has little value".

    Not to say I buy into this guy, he writes well (interestingly) and the vast majority of stuff makes sense, either before or after reading, but who the hell knows.

    Actually the thing which makes me MOST believe he's legit is he has ZERO posts other than his big info posts, he's not trying to talk people into believing him or boosting his ego by posting sh!t all the time - just one post every few weeks and nothing else.
     
  19. Patjew

    Patjew PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2005
    Messages:
    9,731
    Likes Received:
    172
    Ratings:
    +498 / 2 / -1

    No Jersey Selected

    Interesting stuff. Much better than most thread topics we're seeing these days, at least. It's also fun to picture the writer as MacGyver.
     
  20. Pats726

    Pats726 Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    9,800
    Likes Received:
    8
    Ratings:
    +8 / 0 / -0

    This whole thing about breaking down tape etc has always intrigued me...there are so many that say it'll take only a few minutes..and could have been done at half time..LOL...and I always thought that was a stretch...at best..especially when those saying that had never done that...so it is interesting about what he said in regard to process...because that was always something NOT undesrtood...or really asked about but thrown around like it was nothing by people who thought they knew..but never had any first hand experience with what was being done..
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

unset ($sidebar_block_show); ?>