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    Like most, I am swaying in the wind a little but :

    1) Everson Griffen. Reports of lack of effort (at times) worry me but it doesn't seem like a huge problem and I love his size/athleticism combination.

    2a) Arreious Benn. I really want a WR this year to compete for time now and not be a rookie in 2011 if Moss is gone. I think I read he had a low Wunderlich which is a concern but I like everything else about him.

    2b) Tyson Alualu. I considered Carrington and Wooten but in the end I settled for a 3-4 DE with a higher floor and lower ceiling.

    2c) Ricky Sapp. Same concern about Griffin but if we need a pass rusher there comes a time we have to ignore the imperfections and get a talented athlete in here. Sapp at WOLB and Griffen and SOLB could be a good future.
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    Not too shabby.
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    1) Dez Bryant
    2a) Greg Hardy
    2b) Corey Wooton
    2c) Jared Veldheer
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    That's an interesting group with a great upside but a crazy high bust potential too. I'm not enough of a gambler to that that group.
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    A real boom or bust type draft. IBFWT
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    Gotta keep up with the Jets!

    But really, only Hardy is risky cause of his injury history. I think Bryant's character concerns are way overblown. All pro day reports say Wotoon looks perfectly healthy now. And Veldheer is about as much of a risk/reward as Vollmer was.
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    I like all 4 of the guys you picked to varying degrees, so I'd be happy with your first two rounds. The one guy I am up up in the air on Alualu as a 3-4 DE, he really seems like a UT in 4-3 scheme to me (I know he's actually played some 3-4 end at Cal, but so did Trevor Laws at Notre Dame). Regardless Alualu is a good player.
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    Bryant's intelligence (he sounds really dumb when he talks is what worries me about him). I like Wooten but I could see him being a little small for DE or outgrowing LB. With Veldheer, I would like to think this draft is deeper than last year so a similar pick to Vollmer isn't necessary.

    I'm not trying to sound critical of your guys, just explaining why they weren't on my list.
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    I feel the same about Alualu but it sounds like he has the strength and hands to play DE for us. Believe me, he's not my perfect choice but I like him enough to put him on my list.
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    Not bad at all but would like to change #22.. Still rather have Ray Edwards at #22 in a RFA deal. 2013 would be a great year as all of these picks will emerge. I worry about 2010 Cousins. Don't sugar coat it with "the Draft will save the world".

    If we are all set in a little wait, your picks are very good. Salute
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    Right now my 4 (this could change in a few days...hour....minut....who am i kidding, seconds)

    1. Sergio Kindle
    2. Damian Williams
    3. Tyson Alualu
    4. Austen Lane

    :)
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    Here's Bunting's take.

    I tend to agree with this take on Griffen, not so much Kindle. Griffen looks like a playmaker, but to me TCU's Hughes is one. I like Highes much better than Griffen. Off the field concerns for Kindle sour me on him a little bit, I do like him as a player. Kindle is a much better prospect than Griffen.

    Five prospects who aren?t worth the love | National Football Post

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    I think of Griffen on the Strong Side and Hughes on the Weak Side so I wasn't really looking at them equally. I like Hughes and would definitely take him at 2a if he were there. His type is a little more plentiful in this draft, though, which is why I took Griffen first then settled for Sapp.

    That doesn't mean I'm right, but that's my thinking.
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    I think Bunting is absolutely right about both of those guys. Them two, along with Pierre-Paul and Dunlap, to me seem like nothing more than athletic freaks in a football uniform. I wouldn't touch any of em.
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    Wow, you've never mentioned that before :rolleyes:

    :bricks:
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    DBryant
    Dunlap
    Troup
    McCluster
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    I would add Sapp to your list of JPP, Dunlap, and Griffen. Sapp is a terrific athlete but, like JPP, has little in the way of football instincts. At least Kindle has football instincts and a high motor. He can be coached. Griffen's knock, as Dunlap, is his lack of motor and inconsistency.
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    I keep seeing people talking about Ray Edwards. I live in MN and see the Vikings all the time. Ray Edwards is a classic 4-3 DE, nothing more. I do not see how people project him to be an OLB when he has never flashed the necessary skills to do so. We would essentially be playing him at standup DE, because he has never shown me that he has the skills to do the things Belichick asks his elephant to do. Plus, he's really only had one good year. Last season everyone was complaining that despite having Allen and the Williamses taking up all of the attention, he produced 5 sacks (and in the Vikings defense, sacks actually matter). He also seems to be somewhat of a me-first type of guy. No way is he worth trading their first rounder for, not even close. Vikings fans would jump for joy.
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    This is the draft you really want for the Pats??

    Other than Troup, I would consider this a very good candidate for the "All-Bust" Draft!!

    If I go to bed next Friday night with those 4 names on my draft sheet I won't get any sleep because I will be up all night vomiting.
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    How about:

    22 Everson Griffen USC OLB - Not worried about intensity
    44 Kareem Jackson Alabama CB - If not available, Devin McCourty or Patrick Robinson
    47 Marcus Easley Connecticut WR - Pats like Randy Edells' kids
    53 Jared Veldheer Hillsdale OT - Think Seabass

    Rest of the draft:
    119 Dennis Pitta BYU TE - or Tony Moeaki
    190 Mike Kafka Northwestern QB - need another smart QB
    205 Nate Byham Pittsburgh TE - Blocker
    229 Zoltan Mesko Michigan P - Real need
    231 Jameson Konz Kent State FB/TE - why not try to look for gold again
    247 Jeron Mastrud Kansas State TE - Blocker - Developmental prospect
    248 Danny Batten South Dakota State ILB - Developmental prospect
    250 Adrian Tracy William & Mary OLB - Developmental prospect
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    Yeah I feel good about all those guys, Dunlap would be the only one I am slightly concerned about.
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    This is a really interesting draft. Bryant and McCluster could be huge playmakers or huge busts. All or nothing with those two.

    Dunlap could be special in our defense at OLB. The only player in the last five years that could legitimately be the next Willie, if BB can get Dunlap's head screwed on straight. On feel strongly that the dude that wrote the article on Pats drafting is correct however and Dunlap is targeted for south beach.

    Troup got a personal workout from BB, which depending on how the workout went, could be a good thing. I know he has the measurables, but the tape, which does not show a second round grade, does not lie.
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    You have stated the concerns well. It is almost as if you are providing your own criticism.

    1) 22 is not the place for a player without a motor.
    2a) Belichick and scouts will find out what the Wonderlic means in personal interviews. However, we apparently are considering Bryant, so we'll see.
    2b) Alualu is a fine choice, if he is there at 47, and if we haven't already draft Odrick.
    2c) I suspect that Sapp may well be worth the risk at 53.

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    Assuming these guys are available when the Pats pick:

    1 Brandon Graham
    2a Jahvid Best
    2b Tyson Alualu
    2c Damien Williams
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    Interesting. Thank you. I still see him as a DE in our system at the same weight as Green but a lot younger. Would you send a #2?
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    Ok my guess (It is not what I wish but what I could easily see).

    22. Ryan Matthews, RB
    44. Damian Williams, WR
    47. Ricky Sapp, OLB
    53. Linval Joseph, DE
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    I'd like to get Hughes, Tate, A Jones, and Tate. It might take a trade down/trade back up scenario.
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    Ian should at least ban you from the draft forum...
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    FWIW, that list was what I want; the following four are my prediction :

    1 - Gresham
    2a - Alualu
    2b - Wooten
    2c - Decker
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    Your 4 are fine, but that's it. Griffen is too much a boom or bust player to take that high, I think, be even so I'm not sure he's 'playmaker.' None of the guys you picked jump out as 'playmakers.' After last year's draft of solid players - but no 'playmakers' that had an instant impact, I'd rather have two just-add-fieldturf stars than 4 more 'solid' players. I'd trade whatever it took to get McCoy or Suh, and/or the rest of the picks to get Spiller. You can keep your 4 good players but we'd be better, way better, next year with Suh or McCoy and Spiller. MHO.
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