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  1. patsfaninpa

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    Let's go thru the trades first. Cleveland trades 6 to Miami for 12 and 42. Miami wants Lane Johnson. Cleveland will also trade down from 12 IMO. Just not with us.

    Cleveland trades 42 for Ryan Mallett. He's clearly more ready to step in and play than any of these qb's coming out this year. Also, a conditional pick next year. Can't be a first. If starts 10 or more games and .500 record in those games another 2. If less than .500 a three. If he doesn't play, no extra pick..

    Buffalo wisely doesn't take a qb at 8, but Marrone wants his Cuse guy. Trades us 41 and 71 for 29. We make out a little. 640 to 730. But, that's not a big gap when a qb is involved.

    I'm going by cbs rankings. Here's a link.

    NFL Draft - 2013 NFL Draft Prospects - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

    2a 41 - De'Andre Hopkins - WR - Clemson - That bigger target we crave.

    2b 42 - Alex Ogletree - OLB - Georgia - Will look great playing WOLB in our defense.

    2c 59 Darius Slay - CB - Miss St - BB loves his SEC guys. He not Banks was their best cb last year and ran a 4.31 at the combine.

    3a 71 DJ Swearinger - S - So. Carolina - Another SEC guy. I like the Adrian Wilson signing. But, don't think he's more than a 1 year stop gap. Not a fan of Gregory at SS. Just not physical enough.

    3b 91 Ryan Swope - WR - Texas A&M - Might play more than Hopkins in 2013.

    7a 226 Mike Catapano - DE - Princeton - BB loves him some smart guys.

    7b 235 Chris Faulk - T - LSU - Bad knee injury. Maybe, a 1st or 2nd rounder with no injury. Will start the year on PUP and probably finish it on IR.

    UDFA - I only have one. Matt Stankiewitch - C - PSU. O'Brien gives him a good word. Made all of the calls in PSU's offense. Should be able to pick up ours and push N.McDonald. Practice squad material.
     
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    With no trades.

    1. De'Andre Hopkins - WR - Clemson
    2. Darius Slay - CB - Miss St
    3. Khaseem Greene - OLB - Rutgers
    7a Mike Catapano - DE - Princeton
    7B Chris Faulk - T - LSU
     
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    Some very good names there, in particular Ogletree and Slay. Hopkins' performance against LSU in the bowl game will always stay with me as one of the greatest performances I've seen and I think he's a very good safe prospect (which we probably need) but I'm less convinced he fits our offensive style like a Robert woods does for example. Not a criticism of the pick, just a different outlook.

    In fact, having just re-looked at the picks, I realise there's not a prospect there that gives me any real concern so a really good mock. Good job.
     
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    It's funny..in my last mock I also have Miami trading with Cleveland for Johnson, and also have Buffalo trading with us for Nassib at 29. Great minds and all that.

    The latest scuttlebutt, for what it's worth, is that Ogletree might go in the top 10. It's hard to believe CBS has him available at 42.
     
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    I did cherry pick your idea of getting an olb early. So, kudos there. I was thinking of Ogletree early in the year, and then his off the field problems surfaced. If he's going to drop that far. I'm willing to gamble Two things about Woods. He sulked when Marquise Lee passed him on the totem pole. Major red-flag for me. Strikes me as that selfish, me-first attitude that so many wr's possess. And, for some reason BB doesn't draft USC guys. I think it's the "Look Ma, I'm a star attitude many of them have." Clemson has run a very diverse offense. Even though it's a spread. They sure seem to throw a lot at their guys. Doubt they're spending too much time in the real classroom. But, hey it is what it is. When Sammy Watkins broke on the scene in 2011, I watched a lot of their games. And, Hopkins is the one who seemed to make all of their big catches.
     
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    Ha, sorry for stealing your trades. I read so many mocks they all run together. I just went with Cleveland and Miami because Fish have two seconds and a need at LT. The Mallett to Cleveland has been out there a while. They just can't give up a first for him. A couple of teams could move into 29. I went with Buffalo because it gives us the back to back picks. I think Smith will go earlier than everyone is mocking. Prob Arizona. I think Philly trades up for EJ Manuel and Buff will be worried Nassib doesn't slide to them.
     
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    Ogletree is funny because some sources say solid first round and others bottom of the second. I think he's that polarizing player who some teams are OK with his past given his talent and other have probably taken him off the board or at least knocked him down a round. I cannot see a team rolling the dice in the top ten though.
     
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    I would love it if the first mock came to fruition. Unfortunately, I don't see any way Ogletree falls to 42. I would gladly sub him out with a DE like Moore or Okafor though. I would also love it if Swearinger fell to us at 71. Swope at 91 would be a good pick because, at the very least, he would have the "Brandon Tate effect", where his pure speed alone forces at least one safety to stay deep.
     
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    1. Woods sulking. Yeah, that's why I knocked him down my board for a long while. It is what it is and it makes me uncomfortable but in the end I came to the conclusion that he's the best fit. Agree with you that it's a concern.

    2. Never drafted from USC. Actually he's drafted two including a rather significant backup QB in Cassell. But both picks were low ones so I take your point. However, he has never drafted a Clemson player so you know... :p

    3. Interesting that they showed quite a lot of interest in Clemson guys this year. someone elsewhere actually suggested that might be because of Andre Ellington as a Woodhead replacement. Who knows.
     
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    It's less likely now that they've given up a first rounder, but I still think that TB are a good bet for a Mallett trade. However I do think Mallett will be our backup for the whole year and won't be traded until next year.
     
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    This is like a dream draft, I doubt we'll ever get this lucky. BUT, excellent job patsfaninpa, love every pick you made. Maybe you need to call BB and apply for a job, Draft Expert. Great job, love it !
     
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    I can't speak for Clemson, but the issue with USC is that there have certainly been players that appear to fill needs (e.g., their linebackers), but BB has stayed away from USC in the early rounds like the plague.
     
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    The paradox here is that this year has an extraordinarily awful group of QBs, while next year's crop looks to be significantly better. So he *might* not be able to get as much for Mallett next year as he could this year.
     
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    I don't think they will get as much because Mallett will only have a year left on his contract anyway. The next years crop will be better is a reasonable one but doesn't necessarily follow. Last year, people were excited by the potential of Logan Thomas, Tyler Bray, Landry Jones, Matt Barkley and Tyler Wilson. A lot changes in a year. I just think not having anyone else having spent anytime in the system precludes a Mallett trade.

    Which leads to a question. Have we ever had a backup that hasn't spent time in the system before becoming the main backup?

    Edit: And in answer to my own question, yes we have in Brian Hoyer who was the sole backup at the start of his first regular season in '09. So i suppose it's possible that Kafka might be considered for the #1 backup position.
     
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    with trades galore

    2 top of round - Keenan Allen

    3. John Simon DE/LB Ohio State

    4. Josh Boyce WR

    5. Kayvon Webster CB
    5. Joseph Fauria TE
    5. Gerald Hodges OLB
    5. Joe Kruger DE Utah

    6. Cooper Taylor S

    7. Charles Johnson WR Grand Valley
    7/udfa Jake Knott OLB
    7/udfa. Jared Smith DT UNH
     
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    Like your thinking but I do not think that the Browns will offer more that a 4th rounder this year and conditional next year (2 round high - 5th round low) for Mallett.

    But if we could land Hopkins, Slay , and Swope, I would call it a very good draft..
     
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    I always admire folks who do this, personally when I see this stuff and the amount of information required my head wants to explode...

    Kudo's to all of you who understand all the possible possibilities..
     
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    Excellent stuff Cousin. A lot of work!
    I too have had one of these Trader Bill prophecies:

    Round 1

    1. Kansas City Chiefs -OT Luke Joeckel Texas A&M 6'6" 310

    2. Jacksonville Jaguars- Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia - 6'3 - 220

    3. Arizona Cardinals (from Oakland Raiders) [Oakland gets AZ first rounder #7, AZ second rounder #38 and 2014 AZ 3rd round pick] [Points; OAK=2,200, AZ= 2,020 + 2014 3RDTBD] AZ selects-Eric Fisher, OT, Central Mich. - 6'8 - 305

    4. Philadelphia Eagles-Dion Jordan, OLB, Oregon - 6'7 – 243
    5. Detroit Lions -Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU - 6'6 - 270

    6. San Diego Chargers( from Cleveland Browns) [Cleveland gets Chargers first round #11, Chargers second round #44 and Chargers fifth round #140. SD would NOT have a shot at a blue chip LOT unless they traded up. [POINTS Cleveland=1,736, S.D.=1,746] SD selects-Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma - 6'7 – 303 LB

    7. Atlanta Falcons (from Oakland Raiders (from Arizona Cardinals) [Oakland receives ATL. First rounder #30, ATL third round pick #94 and ATL 2014 2nd round pick TBD][Points OAK.= 1,500, ATL.= 744 + 2014 2nd TBD] - CB Dee Milliner Alabama 6'1" 198


    8. Buffalo Bills-Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama - 6'3 – 320

    9. New York Jets - Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State --6'2 - 217

    10. Tennessee Titans -Jonathan Cooper, OG/OC, North Carolina - 6'3 - 295

    11. Minnesota Vikings (from Cleveland Browns from San Diego Chargers) [Cleveland Browns get Minn. first round picks #23 and #25 plus sixth round pick #179 ] [ Minn. Gets first round pick #11 and Cleveland third round pick #68] [Points Minn.=1,500, Points Cleveland =1,500]-Minn. selects-Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia - 5'9 - 171

    12. Miami Dolphins -Desmond Trufant, CB, Washington - 6'0 - 186

    13. New York Jets (from Tampa Bay Trade for CB Revis) -Barkevious Mingo, OLB, LSU - 6'5

    14. Carolina Panthers- -DT Sharrif Floyd Florida 6'3" 303

    15. New Orleans Saints-Bjoern Werner, DE/OLB, Florida State -- 6'4 – 265 (Demarcus Ware role for Ryan’s Defense)
    16. St. Louis Rams -Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee - 6'3 - 205

    17. Pittsburgh Steelers –Jarvis Jones OLB/ DE, Georgia - 6'3 - 248

    18. Dallas Cowboys -Kenny Vaccaro, SS, Texas - 6'1 – 218

    19. New York Giants -Manti Te'o, ILB, Notre Dame - 6'2 - 255

    20. Chicago Bears -Alexander Ogletree, ILB, Georgia - 6'3 - 232

    21. Cincinnati Bengals--Star Lotulelei, DT/DE, Utah - 6'4 – 320

    22. St. Louis Rams (from Washington Redskins) -Eric Reid, FS, LSU - 6'2 - 212
    23. Cleveland Browns (from Minnesota Vikings) -Tyler Eifert, TE, Notre Dame - 6'6 - 251
    24. Indianapolis Colts - D.J. Fluker, OT, Alabama - 6'6 - 335

    25. New England (from Cleveland Browns from Minnesota Vikings from Seattle Seahawks) [N..E. gets Cleveland first round pick #25 and Cleveland receives Patriots QB Ryan Mallett and Patriots 3RD round pick #91 and 7th round pick #235] [ Points Cleveland 720, Points N.E. =136+Mallett+] N.E.selects - Margus Hunt, DT/DE, Southern Methodist - 6'8 280

    26. Green Bay Packers- Datone Jones, DE, UCLA - 6'4 – 275

    27. Houston Texans - Justin Hunter, WR, Tennessee - 6'4 - 200

    28. Denver Broncos - Damontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M - 6'4 - 250

    29. Philadelphia Eagles (from New England Patriots) [ N.E. trades first round pick #29 and receives Phil. second round pick #35 and Eagles fourth round pick #100] [ Points N.E. 640, Phil=650] Phil. selects E.J. Manuel, QB, Florida State 6’5, 240

    30. Buffalo Bills (from Oakland Raiders from Atlanta Falcons) [Oakland trades first round pick #30 plus fourth round pick #99 to Buffalo for second round pick #41 and Buffalo third round pick #73] [Points Oakland=724, Buffalo=715] Buffalo selects- - Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse - 6'2 – 229.

    31. San Francisco 49ers- Matt Elam, SS, Florida - 5'10 – 202

    32. Baltimore Ravens -Keenan Allen, WR, California - 6'3 – 210
    DW Toys
     
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    I like Woods but Hopkins is much more explosive and i have him rated over Woods at this point. If they go Hopkins in the first i will be really happy with the pick.
     
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    I'm not sure I'd describe Hopkins as explosive - in fact I'd say that Woods is much more quick-twitch. Hopkins is a fine receiver, very reliable, excellent hands and routes and I like him plenty but he doesn't have the quickness and ability to make players miss that Woods does. I'd much rather run a screen to Woods for example but I'd probably rely more on Hopkins to get a clutch first down. Swings and roundabouts, but we're an offense relying on quickness from our receivers which is why I edge towards Woods. Just my two cents.
     

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