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    it's going to cost the pats about 7 or 8 million a year to sign him and they should sign him this year will ther is no CAP so they can front load some of that cash


    if not he will be in KC next year lol
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    He shouldn't get a bigger contract than Evans, Evans is the best guard in football

    In NO offense, you could argue the guards on more important to protecting Brees than the tackles, because he is shorter and needs to move around to find passing lanes, those guards give him the room to do so. Brees can sense the rush so well he can get buy with someone like Bushrod playing LT, aslong as he has those dominating guards
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    They should try to keep the OL intact, or are they moving Light or Vollmer to G? Probably a bad idea. I agree with the above poster, he'll be a chief if we don't sign him
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    I'm sure Mankins isn't going to look at it this way.
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    Before everyone gets their panties in a bunch, we need to find out what the real deal is. It is a seven year deal so that means the last 2-3 years are bogus just to allow the agent look good. The $19 million in the first year is a whole heck of a lot, but he only makes about $3 million ayear over the next two. What is he making in year's four or five. Does he have a balloon payment in year six?

    Even with the facts we know, Evans is getting paid really, really well; but it may not be nearly as lucrative as it sounds.
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    Only if KC coughs up draft picks.
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    With Ohrenberger and Bussey and Kaczur able to slide over to guard...I don't think they pay him huge money.

    If they were going to they would have already.

    There has to be some turnover at positions where you allow the new guys to play.
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    If this guy's a Hannah type, so be it. Mankins isn't. He's a good player at a position that isn't real high value, so we make a deal or replace him.
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    Mankins is, by a good margin, the best OL in this team, and unquestionably one of the top guards in football. So you pay him as such unless you want to start Rich Ohrnberger. Those talking about the situation as if he is easily replaceable couldn't be more wrong.
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    Letting Mankins walk would be a mistake. Ohrnberger is best suited as a back-up, we have NO idea what we have in Bussey, and Kaczur is not as good of a guard as Mankins is. Mankins is still relatively young and is one of the better guards in the league. We should do all we can to retain him.
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    I could care less if a player doesn't sign back with us because they want huge $$$$$. If the millions that they are making for playing a game for their career isn't enough then they don't deserve to be on a winning team. He can go to Oakland and lose.
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    If you could care less I guess it's all good.
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    Good post.
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    If Mankins wants that type of money and someone gives it to him, I say he can walk. I don't think KC will be the team that pays him. Mankins is a good player, but not a great one IMO. And guards simply aren't worth that kind of $$.

    I don't think you know whether any of the young guys can start. And how do we know whether Light can handle LG? I bet he can do just fine. Worst case scenario, we can use one of our early pick on a replacement and use the $8 mil/year to get us some OLB/pass rush help, or perhaps a replacement for Moss.
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    I'm sure Brady disagrees with this. We all saw what happened when sub-par guard play occured last year. Brady ended up with a slew of injuries and was suddenly ineffective when Stephen Neal left the game.
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    The fact that we don't know whether the young guy can start should only push the team harder to wrap up Mankins. Like I said, he's young and is easily one of the better guards in the league. I do not want to see the same problem that happened last year (sub-par guard play from Connolly once Neal left the game, which ended up meaning extra injuries to Brady) happen two years from now.
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    I agree- Mankins is still young and he's very, very good. I recently read that not only has he not missed a game since he started, but he hasn't missed a practice. Young, very good, reliable, healthy, he has a mean streak... What more do you want from him?
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    Exactly. If anybody on the O-Line deserves to get paid, it's him. I sincerely hope they work something out with him. If they can't, then I hope they don't "Seymour" it and actually make sure that there is a more than capable body that comes in to replace him.
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    Exactly right. You cannot pay more than a couple players at the top of their position, and you have to pick those carefully. It is of course better to have Mankins than Compton but the Pats won a superbolw with Compton at LG. I sincerely doubt the future of the Pats hangs on the play of its guards as opposed to QB, WR, TE, pass rush, DBs, etc.

    IMO a guard simply isn't worth breaking the bank for an upsetting the salary structure.

    So I don't think what mankins can get from the Pats is related to other signings. They gave Wilfork more than hampton when everyone said Hampton set the going rate because they felt Wilfork had more value to the team. If they think Mankins has more value to the Pats success than Wilfork, they will pay Mankins more than WIlfork.

    Personally, I doubt it. I think that if it wasn't for the change in RFA rules, Mankins would already be gone.
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    In fairness, when Brady cracked his ribs, it was just as much as his fault as anyone else. Part of what makes Brady so good is that he will hold onto the ball and release it at the last second. That helps to get receivers opened, but it also opens him up to get hit. He cracked his ribs on such a play.
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    Absolutely. There's essentially no such thing as a "7-year contract" in the NFL today.
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    Yes, he's done that his entire career. My main driving point is that it wasn't really a BIG problem until last season, especially when Neal went out of the line-up. There were also other injuries that he sustained/made worse last year as a direct result of the amount of times he was getting hit. A lot of those hits were coming from up the middle. On top of this, if Brady does have a tendency to hold onto the ball longer, wouldn't you want a guy who has proven that he can hold onto his blocks longer as opposed to a guy who hasn't even proven that he can go up against NFL quality opponents?
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    We'll see what the final numbers are. However, these numbers are about what one would expect. I don't expect any effect on Mankins. The team may come up to the plate or not. He may go or not. That was the case before we were lucky enough to have Mankins as an RFA this year. As another posted pointed out, if not for the uncapped year, Mankins would likely be gone already.
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    He's the second best guard on the team, injuries and age notwithstanding.

    You can't pay everyone on the team like a hall of famer. I'm sorry, but we don't run the ball enough to pay any guard like that and he's not a difference maker at guard, very few are.

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    Not easy, but if we have 8-10 million a year to play with, quite doable.
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    Neal's body is falling apart, Koppen is declining rather quick, I really don't want to enter next season with a 3rd huge question mark on the interior OL especially when we will probably still have issues at DE/OLB. We need to find a way to keep this guy.
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    What do you care if Kraft pays him a ton of $$$$$ in an uncapped year? It's not your money. Keep letting all of these good players go to Oakland and there's not going to be a winning team in NE, either.
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    Exactly. If we aren't going to spend the money on the best O-Lineman that we have on the team right now, then we might as well buy the best stretcher possible for Brady because he's going to get killed.
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    You don't understand do you? No **** it's not my money. My point is, these player are making millions for playing a "kids game" and if they want to leave a winning team to make a little bit extra than go ahead. And what do you mean letting all these good players go to Oakland? What GOOD players?
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    It's not about being "easily replaceable". It's about being fiscally responsible, which means you do not have top-5 paid at many positions. Only the absolute anchors of your team warrant the top-5 payment (Brady, Wilfork). It may be an unfortunate situation with regards to the drop-off from Mankins to the next guy, but you don't change your fundamentals due to immediate circumstance unless it's catastrophic.

    The same type of "he's our best at position XX" has been argued for many players, but if you go back and sign all those players that walked then you have a very top-heavy roster with 8-10 players taking up the bulk of the cap. You then cannot field a legit TEAM to compete and simply have a lot of "names" and then worse-than-JAGs. Think about it, what if we paid Woody, Branch, Law, Samuel, Seymour etc..

    I think too many people get caught up in the immediate here-and-now and can't see the bigger picture. There is a system in place that produces winning and competitive teams now and in the future (and has been for a decade). If you change that system to "pay the best free agent" each year then you look more like the Redskins.

    There is no doubt that everyone involved wants Mankins back, including BB, but the bigger picture means you simply cannot go above your high-point set for Mankins based on your model for building a competitive team in the NFL. We can only hope that Mankins and the Patriots come to agreement within the Patriots model. I won't pretend to have any idea on what value their model has Mankins at, but I trust their model and hope it gets done. I will not however turn into a 10 year old and accuse the FO of being lazy, cheap SOBs if they do not come to an agreement. I will also not blame Mankins for seeking top-dollar as he has a very small window in his career (with respect to other careers) to earn money.
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