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Love the win, Love Cassel, this defense isnt good enough

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  1. Lifer

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    Getting more satisfaction watching this team go 7-4 and seeing Matt Cassel develop than i did watching the end of last year.

    But the Patriots arent going far with this defense. 10-6 and an early exit from the playoffs will be a terrific accomplishment. If BB can get the D to turn it up in December then maybe we can dream for more.
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    We're doomed!
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    The D was avg today, but like I said the game plan I think was to stop the crap cat... The game that hurt us is that game last week, We are in the playoffs now, but if the colts beat SD, then we are out.. we need to win out though.. I think we could beat Pitt and Arizona at home..
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    hey...hey...hey....stop it...did you not see the "we're doomed" post.
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    end of the world. not like we have a bunch of new parts trying to get cohesion together and AD is on thr shelf healing.
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    Lot's of inexperienced kids in the defense right now so struggling isn't a surprise. Hopefully they are fast learners.
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    Secondary is rough to say the least. Too many receivers left wiiiiiiide open.
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    Red Zone & 3rd Down remain a problem.
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    You are correct. If the defense doesn't play better than this -- 28 points allowed and only one takeaway against a not-special team -- the Pats won't win the Super Bowl.
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    The individual talent is there on defense IMO, it's just a matter of transitioning to life without AT, Rodney, Wheatley etc. that's making things tough. They're still a lot better than people give them credit for, the Jets and Dolphins offenses are pretty good.
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    I'm hoping AT can come back by the end of the year. That will definitely help the pass rush and some coverage in the short passing game. This will take some of the pressure off the secondary. If he doesn't come back, its not going to be pretty unless the coaching staff can come up with some new schemes.
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    Boy, the sky sure does fall alot here.
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    love what I saw today except D.

    Can we score this many points in the next 5 games? If we do, we are in PLAYOFFFFFFFFFFF.
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    our D needs to play better if we want to win a AFC CHAMPIONSHIP.
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    As it is now, you are right. But BB still has 5 games to work his magic.
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    I am actually very proud of this defense. Yes, its performance has been more average than many defenses in the past eight years. However, lest we forget, we have a bunch of youth now playing, particularly at the linebacker position -- a position that many on this board complained about not having enough youth.

    I am quite impressed by our young linebackers and how well they have done. I have even fantasized about whqt they might be like with six to eight years experience. Can you imagine what people would say then about BB's ability to develop his linebacker specialists?
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    Deltha Oneal gets exploited out there, so I think that's a definite weakness, and it's not like we can really help the situation there much. Maybe stick Sanders on the slot receiver and just keep giving O'Neal help with Merriweather?

    As for next year, I really think Mike Vrabel will move inside as a starter, backed up by Guyton and Alexander.

    We'll need to draft or sign an impact OLB who can create some havoc with the pass rush. Otherwise, we'll be going in with an older Adalius, Pierre Woods and Vince Redd. That's not going to be enough.
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    Such insight. :rolleyes:
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    Good call.
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    Are people really going to defend the defense? I agree.

    Good win, I love to see what Cassel would be doing if this D was worth a ****. We'd be the best team in the AFC. It just sucks our defense can't get it done.

    In 11 games, the D looks the same. If anything, they're getting worse. This D is going to cost them, it needs to improve period. They aren't making stops on 3rd down, they aren't protecting leads, etc.

    The offense will not always be this good. The defense needs to get with it or get lost.
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    The pass defense is horrible. The 3rd down defense is horrible. The red zone defense is horrible. The run defense is good, though. That's one bright spot.
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    We knew what was on the cards as soon as the defensive injuries starting wreaking havoc and our free agents left.

    Whilst it's bloody frustrating to watch some of the plays executed against us, we're 7-4 and the offense is finding it's feet.

    We've been in positions to win every game this year bar 1. Penalties aside, we could easily be 9-2, but we're not so deal with it.

    The defense is a work in progress. Pull your heads out of your arses and realise that.
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    went through this thread and this is my sentiment as well...
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    Agreed. But the D has been hit with three key injuries, lost its top CB from last year and have a number of young guys rotating in. Give the D a bit of time to gel. Hopefully they do so before the playoffs start, if they get there.
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    It is very young, it's not necessarily their fault - but they still suck :D You're right that things COULD get better but it seems unlikely. Really too bad Wheatley got hurt.
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    Considering the injuries and the free agent losses I just dont think they have the horses to be a dominant defense. They have some pretty unproven guys in some key spots at LB and especially among the DBs. That said I think they can improve and be better than they have been. There is no excuse for the poor play of their red zone defense and 3rd down defense which is cleary the weak spot on their team now as they are at the bottom of the NFL.
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    I was disapointed in the defense today, but with the Pats' offense I don't think there is anyone in the NFL the Pats can't beat with possibly the exception of the Giants assuming they can click like they are. Every team in the AFC has their signifcant flaws. Every team in the NFC except the Giants have significant flaws. The field is wide open.

    In other years, the defense would clearly be the death nail in this team. This year though, I don't know if it is.
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