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  1. FredFromDartmouth

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    Have you see him in action again Julio Jones and Ashon Jeffry? The guy is incredible. He can run and he can cover and he has good hands. In addition he an aggressive fearless tackler. Of course the downside makes you think of Pac Man Jones.

    So what if he slides to 27? I think that the Patriots have to take him and hold their breath. Supposedly he has matured so I suspect that they can get a couple of years out of him before he reverts to form....
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    I think you mean Julio Jones and AJ Green, whom he both shut down.

    IIRC, Ashon Jeffrey kind of had his way with him.

    Jenkins is probably off the board altogether. We see this every year with guys who are talented, but offer nothing else.

    He's not exactly the typical "leadership/captain," mature and smart status that Belichick looks for with his first round picks.

    I think there are a handful of teams that will take a chance on him, but there was a report from SI last week (and PFT) that said that 'many teams' have taken him off the board altogether.
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    I thought he had an int and forced fumble against Alshon Jeffery...anyway hiring him would be more like a short-term rental. Two years max but you would have a shutdown corner for 2 seasons; that would be huge for this defense.

    I am sure that BB has assigned a value for him but it might be 31 or the second round...
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    BB is close to both Will Muschamp and Charlie Weis... neither of whom will say nice things about Janoris. Maybe he's matured. Maybe he's putting on an act for NFL teams - he's got character problems, he's not stupid.

    It's tough to get on Belichick's board to begin with. Don't imagine Jenkins is there.

    Just can't see BB putting up with anyone who once told his Head Coach, "Do you know who you're talking to?"
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    FWIW, Jeffrey played twice against Jenkins...

    2009 - 6 receptions, 57 yards, 0 TDs
    2010 - 6 receptions, 53 yards, 0 TDs

    Can't remember too many receivers that had big days against Janoris, off the top of my head.
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    I wouldn't touch him until maybe the 4th.

    Yea, the guy can play but so could Pacman. Goodell will have his eyes on this guy from day 1.
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    The rumors are that he is off many NFL teams boards. But there is always a team willing to go on talent only, so he may be taken in the upper 2nd round.
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    He doesn't put the team first. That attitude means not a patriot
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    I have a thing for CBs and Jenkins is one of the best I have seen in a long time. Not only can he cover but he will crash into RBs. I saw him at the bottom of piles with his arms around an RB a number of times. Rather different than Assante Samuel or Prime Time. He would have made a difference in the last Super Bowl (if he did not get into a bar fight the night before)....

    Oh so tempting but oh so dangerous a pick. It would be Faustian selection wherein the Patriots would sell their soul...
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    Thanks for the stats.

    In comparison to what he did to both Green and Jones, I assumed those are the 2 guys he meant.

    Jeffrey certainly didn't "have his way with him," but he did much better than the first two guys. I know that at least one of Green/J.Jones was held to 17-19 yards, and the other didn't do much better.

    Maybe you have some solid stats, since I would assume that you followed Jenkins pretty closely while he was at Florida?

    What's your take on him anyway? Would you take him at all? I wouldn't touch him in the first, but would strongly consider it in the late 2nd. If the 3rd round came with him still being available, I'd be pretty damn happy--character issues aside.

    I just have a feeling that Belichick doesn't even give him as much as a glance.
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    *(Disclaimer) I wouldn't touch him with either 27 or 31 depending on which we keep. Those picks are and should be reserved for projected 5-10 year immediate starting contributors and team leaders.

    But I don't know how BB can see someone of his caliber being on the board mid-late 2nd round and not see the immense value there. Assuming trade downs we will possibly have another 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 5th rounder at our disposal so we could double down on the defensive secondary at some point.

    BB fielded one of the worst passing defenses in his tenure in 2011, put on the tape and Jenkins is probably our best CB, talent wise, right out of the box. Outside of DE/OLB and 5 tech the secondary is by far our achilles heel and if we can infuse it with blue chip talent I think that possibility should be weighed heavily.
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    I imagine that he will be taken in the high 2nd, middle at worst.

    Some team will take him, we all have our idea of who those teams could be.
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    from what i hear jenkins has great talent but he's pacman jones part ii.
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    I don't think any of us will find out until draft day whether this is a Smith of balt situation or a Blout (UFA) situation and it could easily go both ways.

    Personally i would be comfortable taking him with our 2nd 2nd. I would like good solid leaders out there from our 1st 3 picks. Now do i think he will be there at our 2nd 2nd? Nope. But that's the position where i think the risk would match the reward. The risk is he goes all Pacman on you (but then again butler & Weatley haven't worked out at that position either so no huge loss). His upside is he has the skills to be a top 5 corner in the league.

    As far as BB drafting him, when you read their books they seem quite keen to avoid locker room cancers and mention this in the war room/patriot reign. I think this was reaffirmed in BB with the Adalius Thomas later years fiasco.

    But for me personally, I think Devin MC could be a pro bowler at FS or CB, If we Jenkins could be the shut down corner we all think he could I might just risk it. But i guess we'll have to see.
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    Could? Pacman can play. He's still a damn good DB.
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    Interestingly enough it was Floyd Reese who drafted PacMan Jones initially for the Titans (and included a clause in the contract about no bonus if he got arrested). Jones was a nightmare and I am sure Reese does not want to deal with that again.

    Is Jenkins as bad as PacMan? It would be hard to get in as much trouble as PacMan but it seems that Jenkins is well on his way (from Wikipedia):

    On June 1, 2009, Jenkins was arrested near a bar by Gainesville Police for fighting and resisting arrest after punching a man in the head around 2 AM. Police were forced to use a taser on Jenkins after fighting escalated. When asked why the fight started, Jenkins told police it was because he thought someone was going to steal the gold chain around his neck.[2]

    On April 23, 2011, Jenkins was cited by a Gainesville police officer and charged with misdemeanor marijuana possession. He was cited for the same violation in January 2011, and paid a $316 fine. He was arrested in May 2009 during a downtown Gainesville fight that resulted in probation and community service. On April 26, 2011, he was dismissed by the Florida Gators football team, due to his second drug related arrest in 3 months​
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    PacMan was incredible in his prime. I remember watching him shutdown number 1 WRs; a thing of beauty. Jenkins seems to have that level of talent but he was a nightmare at Florida. Did he wise up last year or is he just trying to stay low until he gets a big payday?
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    This kid can flat out play. I would absolutely spend a 2nd round pick on him.
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    Well he also knows Urban Meyer, and he might give a different account of Jenkins who he had for 3 years, compared to Muschamps 3 months.

    I'd take him at 31, he has top 10 talent. Jenkins has better ball skills than Joe Haden who I believe went 6 in the draft.
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    News out of Dallas back before the Combine was that Jenkins was the guy they wanted in the first round. Nothing has changed since then. The only way I don't see Dallas taking Jenkins is if he's already off the board by the time they pick.
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    They are also reportedly enamored with Poe, who an insider source says "is the apple of their eye."

    The latest reports within the past week say that they are now looking strongly at Mark Barron with the 14th pick.

    I agree that a team like Dallas would be a potential fit for someone like Jenkins though. It will all depend if they feel that the high profile signing of Brandon Carr at 5 yrs/51+ million will be enough to bolster their CB situation or not.
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    I don't see him as the reincarnation of Pac Man Jones. He's just a 18-22 year old who likes \women and weed. That probably describes 85% of 18-22 year olds. What is more important is at THIS moment, what are his priorities and how important football is to him. By all accounts he's a responsible father, and has cleaned up his act. If he's simply a talented bad guy, the he should be off the board, But if he's a good guy who's done some dumb things and he still there in the 2nd round, you make the pick, hope for the best and prepare for the worst with a contract that protects you.

    As a person there are consequences for your actions, and there should be for Jenkins. He's lost millions because he won't be drafted as high as his talents deserve, and he'll be on a very short leash when he finally gets to the NFL. However you cannot label a person FOREVER, for bad actions we've done in the past.

    BTW- one thing to think in his favor is that he DID go back to school after getting kicked out of Florida. You know he could have just gone for the money and entered the supplemental draft that year.
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    Wanted to start out by saying that the tape of Jeffries vs Jenkins should be a major reason to draft Jeffries after watching what Jenkins did to Jones and Green.

    On Jenkins: A bar fight, smoking some weed and impregnating some women. No positives but at the same time nothing that says a real bad person. It does show a lack of quality judgement though.

    I've come around on the idea of Jenkins though. Anything outside of the top 20 picks are pretty big gambles so why not roll the dice w/ a chance to land a future All Pro.
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    I don't like to be boringly pragmatic here but it's all going to be down to the interviews. Presumably, at some stage, the Patriots will have spoken to him. If they're comfortable with his responses then he has a good chance of being picked (except that it doesn't look like they're looking at first round CB's this year).
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    Janoris Jenkins is a Jerk. PacMan as talented as he was didn't play very often for the team that took him. He spent more time in custody and court than on the football field PacMan II is not going to be a Pat.
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    The kid has made some mistakes but many nfl players fight so that can be ignored. Having kids by various women, again isn't a problem when it comes to the nfl, look at Cromartie with 12 kids. He'll have enough money to support them anyway. Weed, damn theres that many weed smokers in the nfl I don't think its a big issue, just poor judgement. (see Aaron Hernandez) I'd happily take him... even in the first if certain players are not available...

    Basically the guys made some mistakes and shown poor judgement but hes young... hes oozes talent and would massively help our secondary
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