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    Just a few miscellaneous observations that have no particular import or meaning except to pass the time this off week.

    1. You know for all the crap BB has taken for the failures of the Ocho and Haynesworth signings, it's kind of slipped under the radar that the FO did a little better on some other signings. Can someone give me another example where a team's off season FA additions included TWO first team all pro signings and other double digit sack getter. Did ANY other team even get CLOSE to this kind of FA haul this year....or ever?

    2. Think about it. While most of us were screening potential draft choices based on how well they rushed the passer, and continuing the decade long prayer for the next Willie McGinest; how would our thinking have been changed if we knew the Pats would add TWENTY sacks to the squad in August. Pretty amazing. I don't think this gets enough press.

    3.In the Felger "the cap is crap" thread the Boston media guy brought out a very insightful if painful point that hasn't been mentioned. He opined that if the Pats hadn't found it necessary to bring back Kevin Faulk in a mostly ceremonial role, they MIGHT have had room on the roster to keep Ras Dowling off the IR and he'd be ready to play now.

    IF that's true, then its painful to think the Pats might have had a fast, big coverage guy who has played safety before ready to play instead of having to move McCourty there to play the same role. I have NO idea how true this might be, but the thought of it was painful. A healthy Dowling would have made as big an impact on the secondary as Chung's return did. Just as I know his addition next year will make a huge difference.

    4. Thinking about how much different this defense would be with Carter and Dowling back, just makes me want to scream OOOOUUUUCCCCCHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

    OK now its out of my system and I will never think of it again.

    5. The media has been totally predictable, both nationally and locally. The statistical fact that the Packers, NOT the Pats have the worse defense in the league has done NOTHING to keep the mediots from harping on how bad the Pats defense is, and equally frustrating, keeps them from RARELY mentioning the Packer defense at all when analyzing them.

    So you have a situation where we see the Pats dismissed as a legitimate contender because of their D, while the Packers are universally considered the favorites DESPITE their D. It makes no sense. BTW - personally I'm happy to see this, since it give the Pats a chance to play the "lack of respect" card after so many years.

    6. The latest sign of disrespect that the mediots have all flocked to is the "the Pats haven't played a single team with a winning record this season". And they wave that in your face, as if to say, "see that 13-3 record is a fraud....just like the team." To which I want to say, "last season the Pats played and BEAT, more teams with winning records than anyone in the league.....and how'd that work out. It MEANS NOTHING Just more guys, taking shots while they can.

    It often seems like one guy finds the "stat" then everyone one races each other to embrace it and make it their own. I think its the smugness and sense of superior knowledge that gets me the most. To hear a guy like Mazzarrotti talk like he'd actually know how to put shoulder pads on just rubs me the wrong way. Its one thing to have an opinion, anyone can have that. Its another to make JUDGMENTS. To do that, I think, you have to have at least some knowledge and/or experience. MOST of these guys have neither. I'd even be OK with it if they acknowledged that their OPINION is as uneducated as the rest of ours. Instead they make their JUDGMENTS with God-like certainty and fling them in our faces like supeonneas from a process server

    And finally, if I may continue this rant, I hate the lack of ACCOUNTABILITY these mutts seem to have. They feel entitled to make these, often, blanket judgments, yet want complete immunity from any accountability. No matter how many times these guys are proven wrong they have NO shame to puff up their chests and proclaim their expertise when they are right. SHAMELESS is the right word to describe the great majority of these frauds. Thanks I feel better now

    6. When assessing our chances for this playoffs its important to know that as bad as our defense has been, the offense has, not just been very good, its been HISTORIC. In fact there have been 3 HISTORIC offenses this season. Fortunately only one is in our conference.

    Face it! Gone are the days where defense wins championships. If either the Packers, Pats or NO win this year, THAT will be completely dis proven. No longer in the NFL will "good pitching beat good hitting". So with a healthy OL and all his weapons intact and ready to go, I don't see either the Baltimore or Steeler defenses shutting down the Pats offense

    7. Here's a question for the assembled congregation. When the team gets together later today for the first practice of the playoffs, and Sebastian Volmer is declared 100%. Does he get the start in the playoff opener? Just askin'.

    8. Looking back to the Pittsburgh game, as that was the the Pats worst game of the year.....by far. I was surprised to be reminded that it was a game they EASILY could have stolen. The safety at the end was a fraud. BB not challenging the Gronk TD cost the team over 90 seconds. Add the Gostkowski missed FG and despite all the turmoil and missed opportunities there is a reasonable scenario where the Pats would have been down 3 points, with the ball, and over a minute and a half left on the clock.

    And that was a game, on the road, where you were out played and coached. I think the team and the staff are really looking forward to a rematch. It think I'll take my chances here. A lot has changed since late October, and most of them, IMHO, favor the Pats

    9. Other personnel questions that should be wide open for discussion are:

    Who is your first running back - BJGE or Ridely? To me its the old, ball securtiy vs ypc debate. Which is more important in the playoffs? Let the debate begin.

    Who is your 5th receiver when you go to that formation, Ocho, Underwood, or Edelman? Say what you want about Ocho. He did beat his man deep vs Buffalo. And it wasn't the first time he's beaten his man deep. Brady missed him.

    Who are your active DLmen. Remember vs Baltimore and Pittsburgh, stopping/controlling the run will be the first priority (though I think the Steelers will be more passing, its still in their DNA)

    10. I said it a few weeks ago. I said at the start of the year. NOTHING that is accomplished this season means a thing until the Pats win that first playoff game a week from Saturday night Its all been fun, but unless we want to become the 2010's version of the last 2 decades Dallas Cowboys, we HAVE to win that game. All other discussion is essentially just air.

    Here are the facts of the last 4 seasons 48-16 regular season 0-2 playoffs

    Hard to explain, harder to defend. Nothing but a win begins to erase the stain. That's a lot of pressure, but a lot of pressure on a team that seems to thrive on it. Its going to be hard to wait another 10 days before the team we root for gets a chance to cleanse themselves. In the mean time all we can do is wave our "LACK OF RESPECT Cards" proudly and make Rodney proud :D
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    The Pats are 8-0 since Haynesworths departure and the Bucs are 0-8 since they have acquired Haynesworth .... Just an FYI
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    Has the sleeping giant awakened yet? :D
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    Refuse to believe that Dowling would be healthy by now.

    Otherwise, he never would have gone on IR.

    There are other positions available for cuts other than Faulks. Faulk is one Danny Woodhead injury from playing.

    I bet they would have IR'd Vereen instead.
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    He's still shaking the rust off...
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    I don't know if it's lack of respect so much as Patriots fatigue. The media is just tired of the BB/Brady era, and get much more excited about "new" stories, and teams that looks like they'll be the teams of the upcoming decade.

    Any praise that you see for the Pats on ESPN or anywhere else now is grudging, and kind of an afterthought.
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    Ken,I don't know why you have such a huge hard on for Dowling?.....He has looked 'o.k.' but you're making it sound as if he has demonstrated game changing ability.

    I may not be watching the same player that you see,but he looks decent in the few games,nothing spectacular IMO....

    Size he does have but I would hold judgement off until next season of what he might,or might do to this secondary.
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    I don't want Jeff Fisher to take the Miami job. Not because I think he's a great coach but because I think he's a dirty one. Rodney, Merriman.....We don't need the extra injuries.

    It seems the media is already starting Peyton to the Jets campaign. I just don't see it. It's cold and windy, their offense and receiving core doesn't fit him and I think he's smart enough to stay away from that level of dysfunction, although money talks. If they give Moore an increased role that's the one shot they have.

    Boomer Esiason had a great point this morning saying how sweet do you think it was for Kevin Gilbridge to dismantle the defenses of Rex and Rob Ryan back to back weeks putting both of them out of the playoffs, Jets took another week but the Miami loss was irrelevant as it turns out, after what happened between him and Buddy all those years ago. Made me laugh thinking how that must have added to Rex's angst.
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    People have a hard on for Dowling because they don't want to believe that our secondary blows. Even when Dowling played, they were still getting torched by the QB bottom feeders of the NFL.

    Same thing with Chung.

    The general consensus around here is Chung, a guy that's always struggled in coverage, is going to change our pass defense around. When he played, they were bad, now that he's back, they'll still be bad in pass defense. The only thing he might do is have a positive impact on the run game.
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    Maybe it's because of all the D players that ended up on IR for GB.

    36 Nick Collins FS (IR)
    91 Lawrence Guy DE (IR)

    Oh, wait, that's not it. . . .
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    Another point to note from that game is it seemed like the Steelers changed their entire identity on both sides of the ball and caught the Pats by surprise. Considering the level of execution I'm left wondering how long that game plan was being worked on and if they can pull of such an accomplishment again. If the Steelers try to dink and dunk on offense and crowd the line of defense I'm willing to bet the Pats are ready. If they try to shake things up and come out with an entirely new plan I doubt they'll be able to execute nearly as well. And if they just do what they always do... we know how that usually turns out.
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    Even if Dowling could come back which I doubt he would have been IR'ED if there was ant way he could.make it back by playoffs......what confidence do u have that he CAN STAY ON THE FIELD! ....This guy hasn't been able to stay healthy all year and was injury plagued in college.....hope he can get and stay healthy next year....

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    Add me in with Ken on wishing that BB hadn't made yet another weird personnel decision keeping Faulk for his victory lap while well past his sell by shelf date and been more patient with my man Glass IR Dowling. Reports were that Dowling was crushed by the IR move. Could certainly use him and his healed leg this winter.

    And Ken, don't go all "Rob" on us. Just don't listen to that dweeb Maz at all. Why do that to yourself?
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    I am still not ready to write off Denver. Pittsburgh wants that win badly, but they still have to play the game, and despite the last three losses, Denver doesn't seem to have had any morale let down, and THEY certainly WANT to put an L on Pittsburgh's playoff season.

    So many folks are saying that Pittsburgh is going to light up Denver, but I see a real dogfight of a game, an old-fashioned smash-mouth football game, and Denver may well be able to win that, especially if the game comes down to a final series in the 4th quarter to pull out a win.
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    disagree with the Chung comments. Man coverage ability is not what makes a good safety, and he's at least average in that regard anyway. The reason he makes a difference is his awareness, being around the ball, tackling ability, and great hitting ability. He's already separated at least 1 receiver from the ball since his return.

    He has many of Rodney's traits, who was the best safety to ever play here.
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    I think they will use Faulk against Pittsburgh (should they meet next week as most here think)as I think Faulk has had success against them over the years on those 3rd and 5 catches out of the backfield.

    Against a team with a veteran defense like Pitt,you have to have some veteran knowledge of how to beat those guys on 3rd and short plays and Faulk is a smart player....albeit older now :(
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    Good lord, lay off the juice man. Chung isn't a tenth of the beast Rodney was at safety.
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    I would bet the farm that at least one of these teams that 'backed' into the playoffs with consecutive losses like Houston and Denver are going to be VERY tough outs......Denver has all the ingredients it takes at home to pull off the upset.

    Tebow does not have to do much,The Broncos upper ranked running game along with a healthy pass rush from Dumervil and Miller can make this game tough for Pitt to win.
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    This makes me smile alomst as much as hearing the Pittsburg fans cry about how unfair it was that a 12-4 team had to had a road game against an 8-8 team.


    On a side note, it's impressive that both wildcard teams came from the same division (AFC North).
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    Looked okay? In the first game against the Dolphins, Dowling not only kept up with Marshall but actually mauled him coming off the line when he was asked to- he is one of the very few CB's I've seen that's capable of manhandling Marshall.

    The hope is that now that he is in a pro training program (year round) and one as top of the line as the Patriots, he'll finally be healthy.
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