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I know all of this.

My point is that it all means **** if he can't handle the pressure which we don't know yet so questions about how well our team will handle the transition from potentially 3 coordinators is valid.

I think it is pretty likely that he will be just fine and, in fact, I assume that he might be a DC only for 1-2 years before signing somewhere else as HC. There is a good chance that he is gone next summer so dont get your hopes up that he could be groomed for anything.

Yep,that's the price of success. If a good HC job comes up in the next couple years and they want him, that'll be tough. I don't think BB is going anywhere for several years so maybe Flores gets tired of waiting. Who knows? One thing I do know, the DC position here is in great shape for 2018 whether it's Flores or schiano. I don't expect a dropoff. I have faith in oshea as well,tho not as much. Both of those guys are qualified to be coordinators. I think losing Dante will hurt more.
 
I think you hit the nail on the head with the Patriots and their roster of "no names" and "role players", etc. It is pretty awesome that we have a lot of late round draft picks and undrafted free agents and stuff on our team. That would be a sweet narrative and makes this all the more special. But yes it is lost on everybody except Pats Nation.
 
You know a rant I absolutely DESPISE reading on social media?

How ****ing good are you when people finally just say, "**** it they pay the refs to win." Lmfao that's the point we're at now. That is unreal. It's like hey we've accused them of everything let's just say it's the refs now.

Even the attempts at rationale takes are crazy. Like Tony Dungy saying the Pats aren’t quite as dynastic as 1940s Cleveland Browns, when there were...TEN teams in the league :eek:

Gotta be honest it has become one of my favorite reasons for being a Pats fan.
Literally the entire country has convinced themselves. It's glorious. They've completely run out of any other explanations. You know such as , "your team/coach/ownership is lackluster".

When they won the first one in 2001 everyone was all like "Oh that's cute. What a great upset win...they deserve it" Now the hatred has consumed their minds and it is causing people to say things like the Pats should have KNOWN Hernandez would kill people AND PROMOTED it. :mad:


And then I have conversations about the game with Eagle fans who say "the Pats D sucks". Like really?

They're not any worse than PHI. They had the 17th ranked pass defense with the weakest SOS in their conference...
And they're below average against the pass.
Being good against the run is irrelevant when you play the best passing offense in the league.
Pats are also 5th in points allowed and played a MUCH harder schedule with better offenses.
Oh and only one of these teams has a backup QB :rolleyes:

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The Patriots gave up a whopping 296 pts this season. Only 4 teams gave up less. And yes Philly was 1 of those 4, at 295. I'd call that EQUAL, not less than.

Sorry, I hope we crush them. Dealing with Philly fans this week has been the tip of the iceberg.

I guess it's true what they say, "emotion is the enemy of logic".
 
Not that I want to play the contrarian here but among a sea of stupid takes the question how well we will be able to deal with losing OC, DC and potentially the STC is actually a valid one.

Yes, the people from inside the system will be promoted so there wont be a some kind of big scheme change or whatever. That being said all three coordinators still have to show that they have the same talent in designing plays on their own and calling them at the right time.

I have read so many people here being confident in Flores and calling him one of the best coaches coming up through the system. I have to wonder how does anyone outside Foxboro really know anything about him to say all of that ?

Now dont get me wrong I am happy that we have continuity and from everything we have seen about Flores he seems like an amazing coach but he has done nothing yet to prove himself when the spotlight is on him. So on some level I think it is a valid question to ask how well the transition will go.

Personally, I think we will be fine because all coordinators are involved in designing portions of the gameplan so there won't be any big shock for any of the new ones but ultimately they still have to show that they can handle the pressure when you are driving down the field with 40 seconds left, no timeouts and need a score to win (or prevent a score).
You 'shouldn't have to apologize for making good points. We have no idea how good the next guys will be, just like we didn't when Charlie and Romeo left after 2004.

I think people have faith because it worked out so well the last time this happened. Also, it is encouraging that the Cardinals would think so highly of Flores that they would give him an interview despite the fact that he wasn't a coordinator.
Bill has clearly developed a system that seems to develop good teaching football coaches from the ground up, and he isn't afraid to move them around to give them maximum exposure to the game. From gofer to QC to position coach to coordinator. It is literally years in the making.
 
As the week's "festivities" come to a close I felt the urge to rant a bit about the week's activities.

1. I've heard a lot of crap about how the loss of Patricia and McDaniels (and perhaps an additional assistant or 2) will somehow cripple the Pats in the future. I found that line of thinking odd since several teams have undergone much bigger coaching losses without this topic ever being brought up. The Cowboy's have virtually stripped their entire staff apart with no apparent negative effects. at least that's the impression the mediots are passing off. IIRC, the Giants, Panthers, and Vikings are other teams undergoing significant coaching losses. Why do the mediots harp on the Pats losses (especially the locals) in order to further the narrative that beginning Monday, this era is coming to a close, yet somehow the Cowboys future is looking up?

2. Granted I rarely can listen to Felger for more than 5 minutes before he or Mazz say something that makes my head explode and sends me back to NPR to cool off. Among the snippets I caught this week, was his CONTINUED insistence that the Garopolo trade was a huge mistake that everyone should finally admit to. :rolleyes: Regardless of the OBVIOUS facts facing the Pats with JG, Felger continues to troll the organization with this narrative.

Of course, only he would give a forum to well known Raven and Jets LB and a leading Pats hater, Bart Scott In one part of his diatribe, he claimed to know lots of former Pats players who found playing for the Pats a joyless and difficult experience. To his credit, Felger asked him to name a few. The only name he mentioned was Adalious Thomas, his former Ravens teammate. He also claimed BB totally misused his great talent. :rolleyes: Felger, as usual. forgets to mention to Scott that after BB cut that "extraordinary talent", he never played another game in the NFL. :rolleyes: At that point, I think I needed a dose of the music of the 70's and 80's on ROR ;)

Here's the thing that most of these idiots don't seem to get. SURE BB could have left Thomas on the outside rushing the passer with great success and stats, but what about the OTHER ten guys. Football is a TEAM game and the way the Pats play defense a player has to be able to sacrifice his own personal stats for the team. Clearly, Thomas wasn't willing to do that and became very unhappy here.

3. This entire week all I have heard about is how great the Eagle front 4 is, and how lacking our group is. Now I know stats are for losers, but as bad as we complained about our pass rush, the Eagles had even fewer sacks than we did. And for all their vaunted pass rush PLUS the advantage of playing at home so far during the playoffs, they have only managed 4 sacks, while our sorry group somehow has somehow managed to get 11. :eek: BTW- has anyone heard ANY mediot mention the fact that the defense has 11 sacks this playoff season? I know I haven't. :rolleyes:

During the playoffs, the "dominant" defense of the Eagles has allowed exactly 8 yds less passing yard over 2 games. 10 less rushing yds. And a whopping 13 fewer yds in total defense per game. :rolleyes: So if the Eagle defense is "dominant", what does that make our group of no names. :rolleyes:

I've also heard this week that the Eagle defense is among the worse in the league at defending between the hashes, which could be a bit inconvenient since that is where the Pats like to attack the most, AND they have trouble defending TE's. :eek: Now THAT could be a problem. ;)

So here's the thing. I know that if individual physical talent and draft position were all that mattered, only Trey Flowers and PERHAPS Malcolm Brown could make that 8 man Philly rotation and NONE of the LB's. For what it's worth, Pete Prisco rated both rosters 1-46 and only Brady, Gronk and Flowers made it to his top 1o. And the fact is that Prisco isn't wrong in his assessment. The Eagles DO have the "better" roster...but I think the Pats have the better TEAM. Which allows me the opportunity to say again, that in football the sum can be greater than the individual parts. and you KNOW how much I love to point that out. ;)

I guess the point I want to make is that our defensive production has been completely disregarded by the mediots,

4. I'm getting tired of hearing about QB's with minimal experience being hyped like they are 10-year success stories. I love JG as much as the next guy, but Christ, he only started 4 freakin games. How quickly we have forgotten how HARD it is to maintain excellence at the QB position. Didn't RGIII have one of the most impressive rookie seasons of any QB in recent memory? How many times have guys Marriota, Winston, and Carr flashed, only to regress at times. Dak Prescott is ANOTHER young QB who regressed after a superb rookie campaign. Dashawn Watson is another guy who has already being anointed as the "next great thing" despite a very VERY short resume.

Now ALL these guys have a lot of POTENTIAL, but can we hold off, just a little before we canonize them. The fact is that Tom Brady is a better QB than JG, and the Pats simply ran out of time to keep him. End of story. But not if you are a mediot looking for a narrative to beat Bellichick over the head with something. :rolleyes:

5. While the Eagle front 4 is good and Fletcher Cox is great, But I believe that the Pats have played several front 4's that are just as good and functioned well against them. By this time, the Philly front 7 has been build up to the point of ridiculousness, especially for a group that puts down QB's even less than we do.

Now I have serious concerns about the DEPTH of the Eagle pass rush and that it is unlikely the Pats will be able to wear down their pass rush late in the game like they have so many other good pass rushing teams. And while I won't be surprised to see Brady taken down 2 or 3 times this game, I don't see them being able to CONSISTENTLY stop our passing attack over the course of this game.

6. I am truly saddened by the hate the Pats have received over these 2 weeks. I GET the whole "Patriot fatigue" thing. And I get the Eagles underdog narrative as well. They are a nice story, and if the Jags had won, I'd probably be rooting for them too. But SO ARE WE. 34% of our roster wasn't deemed good to even be drafted. Isn't that a great story? How come it hasn't gotten any traction? In fact, why are the Eagles even being looked at as the underdogs? THEY have all the all pros. THEY were the #1 seed in their conference. THEY are 15-3 too. Aren't WE t"he little engine that could" At a bunch of no-name retreads and nobodies led by a 40 year old great desperately trying to hang on to the spotlight. Where is THAT narrative?

7/ And then there are the LIES. I have come to the very sad and frustrating realization that in today's society everyone is allowed to have their own personal "truth" REAGARDLESS of the facts that pertain to them. How many times are the facts put out there that Deflategate was a clear and obvious fraud and that "spygate" was literally "much ado about nothing:" Yet the stink of the cheating label persists.

So many articles and analyses have proven beyond ANY doubt that the Pats have been defrauded of millions of dollars, multiple first round picks and their good reputation, yet the stink still prevails. The latest I heard was the Colt LB that supposedly started the entire thing with his pick, completely debunked the league narrative about how he thought tthe ball was deflated. Yet the story came and went almost without comment. SOOOOO frustrating.

8. ANOTHER rant that I forgot to add to the original and that was that the common wisdom that the Seattle coaching staff blew the Superbowl with that pass play on the GL. I hate that point of view because it demeans the play spectacular play that Browner and Butler made.

Collingworth could wait to point out what a horrible call it was, and even Zolack was being Zo in saying it was a horrible call. I NEVER thought it was a bad call WHEN you have all the info. And before I get into the details it should be noted that no one less than BB told Zolack he was wrong in his opinion. In the NYT's article on Zolack he recounted Bill explaining why it was a reasonable call.

a. If the Seahawks wanted to run a pass in this sequence, THIS was the down to do it.

b. The Pats' GL defense gave them a numerical advantage should Seattle decide to run the ball

c. Against a similar defense earlier in the game, Lynch failed to get a 3rd and short.

d. Over the course of the season, Lynch was something like 1-7 or 1-8 in similar situations in converting the play for a TD or first down.

e. The chances of Lynch fumbling on a run were about the same as there being an interception on a pass. Both being very, very low.

So given all this plus the fact that even if the play isn't successful there was a 99% chance they'd be able to line up again and run it TWICE if they wanted. When you coach you cannot play call for a 1-2% negative possibility.

Instead, I think they should spend more time dwelling on the remarkable play Butler made on the ball, and that he had the ability to not only break up the play but to go after the ball and get it despite the collision that was violent enough to knock the receiver as backward. This shouldn't be about the call, but about the great play that was made.

9. And that reminds of another quick rant. It drives me nuts when the mediots complain about Atlanta NOT running the ball, and then just a year later they complain about Jacksonville NOT passing it. :rolleyes: Have they no shame at all. Don't they see the hypocrisy of these two narratives? I hate it because they present that opinion that the Pats never WIN Superbowl, it's just their opponents lose them. :rolleyes:

OK, I have been informed that I have gone well past the recognized limit of :rolleyes: allowed for good taste and told I will have to end this before I used any more. Enjoy the game on Sunday and thanks for allowing me to relieve myself of all this angst. ;)


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I didn't know that, thanks.
 
I didn't know that, thanks.
I’m guessing that it’s a decent possibility that he simply hit the wrong button. He’s a pretty level-headed type of poster, and I don’t think he’s one to throw around the red X’s, willy nilly.

@aluminum seats —what say you?
 
You 'shouldn't have to apologize for making good points. We have no idea how good the next guys will be, just like we didn't when Charlie and Romeo left after 2004.

I think people have faith because it worked out so well the last time this happened. Also, it is encouraging that the Cardinals would think so highly of Flores that they would give him an interview despite the fact that he wasn't a coordinator.
Bill has clearly developed a system that seems to develop good teaching football coaches from the ground up, and he isn't afraid to move them around to give them maximum exposure to the game. From gofer to QC to position coach to coordinator. It is literally years in the making.
Solid post, Ken.

I would add the reminder to others that we’ve played entire seasons without any official designated coordinator before, and IIRC in 2010 still went 14-2 without either a DC or OC. As long as Belichick is coaching here, I’m not really all that concerned about the coordinators, at least not to the level that the media is suggesting.

That’s not meaning to say that it’s no concern at all, and I fully agree with luuked’s point that until they prove themselves, we shouldn’t automatically assume that they’re up for the job, but ultimately it’s Belichick who will iron out the wrinkles. I suppose my trust in him runs deep, that’s all.
 
Also, I’d add the thought that a victory tomorrow immediately quiets all of this stupid chatter that’s annoying you (and many of us). That’s what it’s about. That’s what it’s always been about.

The idea of winning a 6th SB is driving everyone outside of the NE fanbase completely mad, so they’re trying to take their shots while they still can. Let’s just hope the team can do its job and execute on a high level later on this evening. That’s all that matters.
 
Personally, I think we will be fine because all coordinators are involved in designing portions of the gameplan

Ken and Luuked - the underlying theme here actually applies to both players AND coaches - TEAM! All reporters that actually get the access to, and then use this access to deliver something deeper than a hot take, show an organization where teamwork isn't just an on field player advantage but an off field coach advantage as well.

That doesn't mean there are not roles assigned and layers of responsibility woven in, but how many times have we heard of the secondary coach or RB coach offering some key bit of info that isn't just acted upon, but socialized and added to overall strategic and tactical application both prior to and during these contests? Answer: lots!

In a society of ego and self-absorption (especially amongst media), this just zooms by the majority. Popovich, Stevens, and a very few other coaches understand that the "so-called" superstar advantage, while not a myth, is maximized by equalizing both players and coaches away from that ego-based pursuit instead to focus on the real goal - winning together.
 
Has anyone been catching any of these conversations/articles (caught about 3 of them in the last 2 days) where they are trying to say who is more responsible for the Patriots success Brady or Belichick. As if to say that one or the other isn't the greatest ever.

Seems fairly disingenuous at best and coordinated at worst. More lazy opinions as people don't seem to ever analyze Brady's play or the talent surrounded by him if they point to Belichick. Not sure how you can tear Belichick down as not the greatest or at minimum top 2.
 
Solid post Ken, as usual, IMO all of sports talk radio has hit the ****ter... listening to them hurts my ears.

They seem to thrive on controversy and half truths, last week they were focused on Brady kissing his son with a dose of some Guerrero crap as well.. over time I listen less and less, listen to Pandora more and more. But this is what the masters of this medium want, consider the smartest football guy in the room, Zolak, often takes a back seat to Bertram and his half assed made up controversies.. time after time Bertram goes off on some nonsensical tangent and Zolak disappears... this all seems intentional.

Not sure you can get away from making Flores DC without the title, he seems to be in demand and after reading his story it becomes more obvious.. what they can do is give him the title and bring in Schiano as some sort of special defensive assistant to help in the transition.
 
No one cares about the Cowboys coaches - they sucked. The Pats' coaches on the other hand are acknowledged to be some of the best in the business. From experience (other teams), good coaches are hard to replace.

And yes, if draft position is the only thing that mattered then the Eagles have the better roster. But if the ability to do what one is supposed to do, be in the right place at the right time and actually make plays, then it's game on. IIRC, the Eagles gave up more than 40 points twice down the stretch and Eli Manning with no receivers threw for over 800 yards in two games. I don't remember any of this happening to the Pats, especially in the last half of the season.
 
I have to say, I REALLY like that video. Good music, catchy lyrics, and hot, hot girls.

But after the song there was a link to the 4th quarter of the Seattle comeback and it reminded me of ANOTHER rant that I forgot to add to the original and that was that the common wisdom that the Seattle coaching staff blew the Superbowl with that pass play on the GL. I hate that point of view because it demeans the play spectacular play that Browner and Butler made.

Collingworth could wait to point out what a horrible call it was, and even Zolack was being Zo in saying it was a horrible call. I NEVER thought it was a bad call WHEN you have all the info. And before I get into the details it should be noted that no one less than BB told Zolack he was wrong in his opinion. In the NYT's article on Zolack he recounted Bill explaining why it was a reasonable call.

a. If the Seahawks wanted to run a pass in this sequence, THIS was the down to do it.

b. The Pats' GL defense gave them a numerical advantage should Seattle decide to run the ball

c. Against a similar defense earlier in the game, Lynch failed to get a 3rd and short.

d. Over the course of the season, Lynch was something like 1-7 or 1-8 in similar situations in converting the play for a TD or first down.

e. The chances of Lynch fumbling on a run were about the same as there being an interception on a pass. Both being very, very low.

So given all this plus the fact that even if the play isn't successful there was a 99% chance they'd be able to line up again and run it TWICE if they wanted. When you coach you cannot play call for a 1-2% negative possibility.

Instead, I think they should spend more time dwelling on the remarkable play Butler made on the ball, and that he had the ability to not only break up the play but to go after the ball and get it despite the collision that was violent enough to knock the receiver as backward. This shouldn't be about the call, but about the great play that was made.

2. And that reminds of another quick rant. It drives me nuts when the mediots complain about Atlanta NOT running the ball, and then just a year later they complain about Jacksonville NOT passing it. :rolleyes: Have they no shame at all. Don't they see the hypocrisy of these two narratives? I hate it because they present that opinion that the Pats never WIN Superbowls, it's just their opponents lose them. :rolleyes:

Forgive them for they know not what they do. Or do like I do and ignore them or laugh at them.

We don't need their stinkin' love anyway. We have each other.
 
Re 3, about how the Pats D has equally impressive stats. Haven't you heard that the reason the Patriots defense is successful is because of the success of the Patriots offense? They always get good field position, often get to relax during long drives by Brady & co, seldom have to face the consequences of turnovers, etc. So they can be discounted when that Eagles defense shuts down Brady and his weapons....

Lots of pundits are blowing smoke out their ass, and most of the public is lapping it up. Nothing will surprise me tomorrow, but I'm hoping to see Foles looking lost and lonely against a defense that has him baffled and confused, while Brady picks apart the Iggles like they did to Minnesota.

Re re 3. There's also the one I heard the other day about the Pats playing in an easy division, even though Buffalo and Miami made the playoffs recently. I get a chuckle out of that one.
 
I think you hit the nail on the head with the Patriots and their roster of "no names" and "role players", etc. It is pretty awesome that we have a lot of late round draft picks and undrafted free agents and stuff on our team. That would be a sweet narrative and makes this all the more special. But yes it is lost on everybody except Pats Nation.

We only have later round picks because the NYFL keeps stealing our draft picks. Handicapping the Pats is their idea of a level playing field. :)
 
The hate has reached an all time high this time. I guess I still can't handle it since I don't understand it. Did people hate the Bulls, Yankees and 49ers this much. It drives me crazy to the point I had a argument with my friend's wife who is rooting for the Eagles. She is not a sports fan but wants to see someone else win. Not a good scene at the restaurant last night.
 
Yes people hated the Yankees worse....
 
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