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    :eek:

    Next, will someone claim the Saints have put a bounty on Manning?
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    Oh yeah, I forgot, what we've been doing has been working so well . . . ever here Einstein's definition of 'insanity?'

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    yup.......Mutual assured destruction........

    by 2012, all teams will employ the wildcat version of the wishbone....things will have come full circle

    maybe the pats should move up and draft tim tebow
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    I think you're still 'tanked as usual.'

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    no way....I am just making the appropriate responses given the original post
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    I can't believe what a tool this guy is???

    1) If this isn't actually his plan and he thinks this is somehow going to get into Manning's head, then he's sorely mistaken.

    2) If this is actually the plan, and someone does injure Manning, how long until Drew Brees gets the strecher in return? If it happened without these quotes, then its a coincidence. By saying this though, if they do in fact injure Manning, it's going to look completely intentional and someone on the Colts will retailiate.

    3) If they do injure Manning and it comes on a late hit or otherwise illegal play, what will the consequences for this coach be?

    That being said, if this is their game plan, then I've lost all respect for the Saints which is too bad because I really like them as a team. But to want to win a Super Bowl by intentionally attempting to knock the other teams best player out of the game is just cowardly. Why not just play the game and prove you can win when you're playing their best?
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    Why shouldn't it be their gameplan? He didn't say they're going to deliver illegal hits to hurt the guy, he just said they're going to try and hit him.

    This is football, right?

    This is essentially the exact same theoretical gameplan the Giants used: collapse the pocket and rattle the **** out of Brady so the offense couldn't get in sync. It's a huge testament to Brady's toughness that he managed to lead the team down for the go-ahead TD after the beating he took (while playing on an injured leg).

    If Williams really thought there would be any repercussions for saying that, he wouldn't have said it. Don't be surprised if this is also a public message to his defense: "we're not going to win unless you guys bring it."
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    It's pretty close.

    The first thing I thought of was that scene from Slapshot..."you can't put a bounty on a man's head!"
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    Saying we want to hit a QB and we want to rattle him is fine and every team should want to do that.

    Saying 'we hope we can injure him and that he wont be able to come back in and play' is sort of a different story.

    I'd love to hear what the reaction to this would've been if it was someone saying they hoped they could take Brady out of the game permenently to increase their chances of winning.

    I'll never understand why a team would want to win a game knowing that they beat a B squad? If it happens coincidentally, it happens, and whatever, that's fine.

    But how can you take pride in a win knowing you got it by intentionally injuring the other teams best player?

    It reminds me of a couple times last year in NHL shootouts where the first shooter would just come in and rifle a slapshot at the goalie from very close range. On more than one occasion the goalie was injured. Completely legal, yes, but sort of obvious what the intention is.
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    we need tougher DCs, since you cannot leave a current role for a lateral move offer him assistant HC and a pay bump and lets get our defense going next year. The saints D talent wise is very average, but is doing good things cause of coaching.
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    Yup, it's not so much the plan - which may be harder to execute than planned - it's publicly acknowledging it that makes him a tool. Egos are the downfall of so many in this league. Like the league isn't going to have a emphasis talk with those refs during the pregame...
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    I always thought the idea to get the QB went without saying
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    Child please....read the article. Read what Williams actually said.

    The headline is misleading and only making it obvious that you haven't.

    He never said they want to injure Manning or knock him out of the game. He essentially said they want to hit him hard enough that he will remember. It sounds to me like what he said a week ago about Favre: if you hit him enough, eventually he will be thinking about the hits and not the throw he's making at the end of the game to win.

    Don't get caught up in the sensationalism.
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    That's another huge point!

    People already complain that Manning gets babied by the refs too much because of his status (before anyone jumps on this remember that Brady is considered the same way around the league).

    So what has this guy done to himself now? By openly saying he intends to injure Peyton Manning, anyone want to bet the refs are going to be specifically told to make sure there is no funny business with hits to the QB?

    If this guy does actually want to pound Peyton into the dirt until he can't move anymore, all hes done by saying it publicly is ensure that the refs are going to be watching extra close now.
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    "When you put too much of that type of worry on a warrior's mind, he doesn't play all out," Williams said. "If it happens, it happens. And the only thing you'd like for me to say is that if it happens you hope he doesn't get back up and play again."


    What part of 'you hope he doesn't get back up and play again' doesn't clearly imply injury?

    If a teams DC said, "We're going to hit Tom Brady so he remembers and we hope we can hit him so hard that he won't be able to continue on in the game", what part of that doesnt = "we want to injure Tom Brady", and what would the reaction around here be like?

    Like I said, you want to hammer a QB, fine, what defense doesn't? But when you start publicly expressing that you'd like to hit him hard enough that he's injured, that's a different story, and cowardly as far as Im concerned.

    It would be the same in any sport. You want to get in a guys head, you want to wear him down, fine. But the second you do anything with the intent or hope that he won't be able to get back up at all, you've crossed the line. Nothing sportsmanlike about that.


    Now who knows if that's what this guys plan actually is. I don't. In fact the wording of the way he said the 'doesnt get back up' part leaves it very open to debate what he meant. All I'm saying, is that if this guy actually does want to take Manning out of the game completely, and that's part of his game plan to beat the Colts, then that's cowardly.

    I'm not saying for sure that's the case, because I don't know. But if it is, then he's a coward.

    Regardless, it was a stupid thing to give the media in the first place and it might result in the refs taking a little extra notice of what goes on around the QBs.
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    I didn't count that sentence because the way he said it doesn't make it clear at all that he means it. In text, starting a sentence with "the only thing you'd like for me to say" sounds more like a reference to what the host wants to hear.

    Poor choice of words maybe, but really something only Mike Florio should be getting his panties bunched over, because that's how he makes a living.

    Williams essentially said the exact same thing last week, and executed the plan on Favre on national television. There wasn't much of an outcry then, except about the fact that the officials were afraid to call it.

    You're always going to get more of this stuff in playoff games anyways, because guys are playing all out, some just to win, and some to win and get bonus payments.
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    Exactly why I say I don't know if it is in fact his game plan or not. I'm just saying that if it is, then wow. But he could've just been saying it tongue in cheek. He could've just poorly chosen his words. Again, huge mistake when dealing with the media. Just look at how Florio ran with it.

    Up until that point he hadn't said a single thing relating to injuring Manning and he was doing just fine. Whether he means it or not, just one example of how you can't be too careful with words around the media.
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    It definitely blurs the line a little, but I do think that your interpretation is closer to the truth than "Williams is telling his guys to injure Manning with illegal hits!"

    All that he said is that 1) if his players are worried about penalties, they can't go all-out, so he's going to tell them not to worry about it (toeing the line, but not so bad. Other teams have said worse stuff re: their plan against Brady).

    and 2) you hope Manning doesn't get up and can't come back after you hit him.... that's a little more problematic. I didn't have a problem with 1, but 2 is definitely stretching it. He did leave himself some wiggle room by prefacing it, but I still don't see the point in saying it at all.
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    How dare Gregg Williams suggest the idea of hitting and rattling Manning and being competitive during the game. :rolleyes:
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    What's all the hub bub about? I've heard a lot of stupid things come out of coaches' mouths in my time. I don't really think this qualifies. It seems what Williams says here is being taken out of context (that never happens, right?).

    My interpretation, like some others here, is that NO's plan is to hit Manning early and often and try to get him out of his comfort zone. Honestly, if they hit Manning any where near as often as they hit Favre last week, this game may not even be close.

    That being said, I doubt very much that Manning will get hit with any regularity. But I for one won't be shedding any tears if Manning gets the snot beat out of him in this one.
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    Like everything else involving the NFL, follow the TV ratings:

    Suppose Manning gets nailed (legally or otherwise) during the first series or two and leaves the game. By the time Curtis Painter stops hyperventilating, the Saints are up 28-0, and that sound you hear across America is the tens of millions of TV sets being turned off or switched to another channel.

    Either directly or indirectly, the League is going to let the officials and the teams know that will not be allowed to happen.
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    The ONLY way they have a shot at winning the game is to hit Manning. Not cheap shots but get to him and rattle him like EVERY TEAM in the league has been doing to Brady for the last 3-seasons. If they can't get to him it's gonna be over early.

    I'm taking the Colts giving 5.5 points. I may even play the money line too.
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    I'm gonna defend Gregg Williams in saying that I've heard the interview once and these clips in question 3 times. This is a PERFECT example of when transcribing someone's quotes meant for radio or TV DOES NOT equate to print.

    The part about knocking Manning out wasn't Williams saying we're gonna take cheap shot after cheap shot at Manning. The question was posed..."what do you tell your guys (defensively) considering Manning's LIKELY going to get some protection and calls from the officials?"

    Williams went onto to the don't tell em anything.....

    It reads ALOT worse than it sounds....and...because it was Manning as the QB in question....well....creat the (bleep) stir.
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    Of course every retired defensive player who now works in the media will tell you their goal every week they went against a good QB was to knock him out of the game (which isn't even what Williams said) but why let that get in the way of a Mike Florio invented I need to draw hits to my site keep NBC happy created controversy.
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    Remember last week when the Jets hit Manning on their first 2 possessions? Indy made an adjustment and I don't remember Manning getting hit again!
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    I totally agree with William's, this is not women's soccer. The job of the defense is to stop the colts, and Manning is the Colts. Our Saints defense is not built to stop the run, it is built to hit and stop QB's with a very good secondary that can take advantage of their mistakes.

    The DL and LB's for the saints are fast, and they need to be in beast mode to hit Manning at every opportunity. What GW means by his statement is that you can not stop it once it is started, you go for the QB's head and if you get a penalty you only hope it threw him off his game.

    If peyton doesn't like the brutality of football he should retire or get a better OL, same goes for brees.

    How the Saints defense plays is brutal and unforgiving. We do not poses the talent that other teams enjoy and so this is our scheme. We come with everything or we lose. And if anyone thinks what GW said was wrong, it is mild compared to what LB,DT,DL, and DC say in the locker room. We are not playing dirty we play rough.

    If the way we play defense appalls the Cardinal,vikings,colts sensibilities then to bad. We are not on the field to play.. we are on the field to win.

    so the quickest way to make us stop is give up, that what GW is shooting for.
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    I am by no means wishing serious injury on Manning, but I have to say that I like Williams' mentality. Beat the hell out of the opposing quarterback. And, given the way the Saints have dealt with opposing quarterbacks this posteason, I would be inclined to take him at his word.
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