Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by shmessy, Oct 31, 2007.
Why should this man's name be brought up this week?
because he's one of the best in the business at stealing signals.that would be my guess.
I know! I know! He's the best signal stealer in the history of the NFL and he is the OC for the Colts. You must realize though, he does not do this anymore, Saint Dungy would never allow such things.
yep...according to J Johnson he is.
Because his name is Mudd? :bricks:
and he looks like that actor from Goodfellas who owned the wig/hairpiece business..
(A). Didn't he do some advance scouting once by taping other teams' defensive signals?
(B). If his offensive line schemes don't protect the quarterhick, his name will be mud.
(C). He's a member of the cabal led by Darth Polian and Martin Luther Dungy.
(D). He advocates chop-blocking against our defensive linemen.
We ought to stop trying to defend the Pats by disparaging the Colts. It's a big trend around here, but it's some kind of weird logical non-starter.
Maury's wigs don't come off. Even if hurricane winds
no reason to defend the pats ! but showing a double standard.
But, the Colts s*ck. So, it's perfectly logical, Troll.
Exactly what I'm talking about.
Both of your sentences above are not true.
"It's okay to do something against the rules because we think the Colts did it in the past (or maybe still do it-who knows?)"
"It's okay to run up the score because the Colts did it in the past"
You don't even know what he does! and you want to bring him down??
He is not the OC for the Colts that would be Tom Moore. Mudd is our Offensive lines coach.
p.s : I don't want to talk about anything other than game. I corrected you, that is all.
Correction noted, thank you. I don't know how I'm personally trying to bring him down. The question was asked why we should mention him this week and that is how I know more of him. JJ was very clear about his skill set.
Of course, it NOT OK. But it's against the rules for ALL, not just for those that don't have a seat on the Competition Committee.
I agree with that, actually. That sort of reasoning is lame. The score has never been "run up" in the NFL, not by the Colts, Patriots, 49ers, or anyone else. There is simply no place for the concept in a professional sports league. You know what else we don't have in professional sports leagues? "2-4-6-8, who do we appreciate?" Little league is a place where kids are involved. They are fragile, they are easily influenced, and most importantly, they are at different stages of physical development. "Running up the score" is a legitimate concept b/c it is a legitimate concern at that level. In a professional sports league, especially one with a salary cap, there are adults involved, making millions of dollars, playing on a level playing field. None of the concerns that make "running up the score" a valid concept in Little League - fragile feelings, bad sportsmanship, lack of a level playing field - exist in the NFL, therefore the concept itself doesn't apply.
IF Dungy hadn't done the "holier than thou" comments after the taping deal, then we wouldn't care at all. But with that, and the way the press makes him out to be somehow morally superior, we are not going to allow hypocrisy to go unnoticed.
Could you define "We", Stattry?
I just looked up your posting history, and it's obvious that you are not a "We".
Keep it informative and on-topic and you are most welcome to remain as a guest. But cut out the "we ought to stop trying to defend the Patriots by....." crap. You are not a "we". In fact, when you try that kind of subterfuge, YOU define yourself as a phony by dressing up in a costume less convincing than the ones my kids will be wearing tonight.
Where is anyone defending the Pats in this thread? Are you saying it isn't news when people video-tape defensive signals? Have you been living under a rock the past two months?
I agree - and if one has no problem with the Pats scoring a royal s-load of points on certain teams (all teams), this is the defense that should be used, not the weird, "Well other teams (Colts) have done it too"
Hee hee, I just did the same thing....those sly little Colts fans, they're so cute.
..............especially when they get their pants pulled down like that.
The initial post is that we ought to be talking about Mudd stealing signals too..
The clear implication of that statement is "The Colts are breaking the rules too, so what's so bad about the Pats doing it?"
Don't insult everyone's intelligence by pretending its not.
Don't insult everyone's intelligence by pretending to be a Pats fan. What shall we discuss? Tony and Peyton are what is right about football?
As the OP, I can say you're troll assumption is wrong. It's wrong for anyone and EVERYone to break rules.
The intent was to expose the blatant hypocracy of YOUR Head Coach and his Holier Than Thou comments after Cameragate.
What? No one is saying that it is not against the rules. They are pointing out what a hypocritic Dungy is. He not only took a shot at the Pats for video-taping, but says he is glad no one on his team would do that. Whoops. Liar lair. People are simply saying that Mudd and others did the same thing and somehow you and others are fine with that. We are merely pointing out hypocrisy.
Also, no one said it's okay to run up the score because the Colts did. Go bad and read the thread. It's okay to score because the object of the offense is to score points. The entire week before the game is devoted to finding any weakness in the other team's defense and exploit it. The object of the defense is to stop the other team's offense from scoring. What don't you understand about that?
What people are saying is that there is a double standard. Other teams have out-scored opponents by a ton and were called dominant. The Patriots are called classless.
People here are pointing out how hypocritical it is to disparage one team and laud other teams for doing the same thing. People are laughing at Steve young for criticizing the Pats for their 52-7 victory, when ten years ago he beat the Rams 55-10.
Thank you. I have yet to bring up the whole signals scandal on this board because, frankly, there's too much good football talk to be had about two great teams playing some historic football.
Don't understand why anyone, pats fans especially, would continue to dwell on it.
Wow! Good of you to agree with this "Patriots fan". He sounds like the only voice of reason to you, doesn;t he?"
BTW, we WILL dwell as much on Howard Mudd as we like, kapische? We've been bombarded with the Spygate shyte for 8 weeks now from 31 other fanbases, while your SANCTIMONIOUS organization surreptitiously cranks up the volume on the story.
So keep your advice on this story in-house.
Mudd has never been accused of taping signals. He has been called the best at stealing signals by several around the league. But according to the the way things came down after the Jets/Pats camera game, it's not illegal to steal signals, it's only illegal to video tape the signals. I know people here will say, "but he is still stealing" and "this is a double standard" but it's states in the rules that you can't use a mechanical device.
So he has a photographic memory? Please.
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