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    Sure glad we have Sergio Brown and not James Sanders. What an upgrade that's been.
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    Defensive players are doing quite well? Did we read the same article? It looks like Meriweather is the only one starting and the only one I would consider an improvement over what we have on the team. And that's not saying much because our safeties have been awful in general.
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    Nothing really jumped out at me saying "wow we should have kept him"
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    I would have kept Meriwether and Butler.
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    Backup CB with Molden and Adams is a problem right now. When Bodden and Dowling get back, it will be less of a problem.
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    Wilhite seems to be playing very well. He has two sacks and an INT so far. He has more sacks that any of our D-linemen (I believe). That's just pathetic.
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    defensively, who's doing quite well?

    butler can't crack the lineup in one of the worst secondaries in the NFL

    merriweather is playing due to injury, he is what he is

    sanders isn't seeing the field

    wilhite's numbers look good when he plays, but i haven't seen enough of denver to say

    seems like the Pats were right to let sanders & butler walk......merri was a decision that appears to have been made on multiple factors.....wilhite isn't bad, but simply wasn't as good as the guys they kept (bodden, mccourty, dowling, arrington)

    interesting with tate.....but they didn't see the need to keep a strictly return guy.....

    as for the OL/TE....well, there was depth there.....i'd love to have lee smith back
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    so they sent him on two stunts and he got there....big deal


    sacks do not equal pass rush....especially when they come on a corner stunt
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    Agreed. Check this:
    I would say Tate and Whilhite have shown decent ROI, given what that article says.
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    Wow wilhite seems to be playing well. I wonder if he's been getting burnt.
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    I fear that Dowling is the JD Drew of the Patriots. Or was it Haynesworth and not Dowling? That's right, Dowling is Drew and Haynesworth is Jenks.
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    How can you say that based off of a stat sheet? A couple of corner blitzes get called and all of a sudden Wilhite is playing well?
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    You referring to Meriweather? Where the Bears have averaged yielding 29 ppg since he has started? And almost went 0-3 during that time after squeaking by the Panthers at home this week? I'm not saying that is all his fault but those aren't the results I would typically associate with a Bears' defense.
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    That's why I said seems. Looks like he could be playing well maybe would be a better way to say it. If anyone knows some broncos fans they should ask 'em how he's done in coverage.
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    Whatever clown. Boy, people will say anything. It's incredible. As if you wouldn't be happy with those numbers if it were Bodden or McCourty or anyone else on our team. Get outta here.

    Charles Woodson and GB have made a living off the CB blitz. How well did Sanchez do with it when the Ravens employed it on a half dozen plays on Sunday night? That's what defense is, clown. It's pressure coming from everywhere. Remember when the Patriots ran the CB blitz a lot in the championship years? Wait, you don't because your 14 posts suggests that you probably just jumped on the bandwagon a few years ago.
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    have we sent either on a corner blitz? sacks are the new metric to measure effective corner play now? i must have missed that memo


    do you honestly think wilhite is better than mccourty or bodden? what has he shown you to make you think he's better than arrington, who's quietly putting together a couple of decent seasons?

    i'm happy if wilhite is playing well, but he's simply not better than the CB's on the roster
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    I LOL when people say this kinda stuff.
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    and it is quite obvious you're making up for your lack of knowledge with aggression....classic internet move

    been watching the patriots since about '76, thanks for asking.....2500 posts on an internet forum doesn't mean much, especially if they're much like the ones i've read so far
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    I saw Meriweather give up a 30-40 yard pass. And he was suppose to roll to the CB side in their Cover 2 defense.

    Didn't watch the game. I just saw it from the Redzone Channel.
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    Is this the same Wilhite that we spend several years yelling at BB about that he didn't deserve a roster spot on this team. Now, we're sad he's gone and pining back to the good ole' "Wilhite days".

    Jesus crips are we a fickle fan base. :rolleyes:
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    I don't have an issue with the OL moves, or with the CB moves. But, to say that the Patriots were right about the safeties, at this point, is insane.
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    I actually think Molden is going to be a decent player, so I'd disagree with that.
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    meri was not just a straight safety play issue......i think off the field issues and too much free lancing came into play.....was he a more skilled safety than what we have? yes.....but at the same time, he couldn't be counted on to at least be near where he was supposed to be all the time......i am very frustrated with the safety play (aside from chung) right now, that is the biggest downfall of this defense, and as times has made the CB's look bad.....but meri played for meri


    i have to assume sanders has just begun to drop off.....this move did surprise me, but he also doesn't seem to be doing much there, either.....perhaps the end of the line for a career over achiever was in sight, and it made more sense to try and play up a youngster rather than squeeze the last remaining juice out of a sanders at this point

    hard to say....i am still ok with the meri move, guess 4 games is tough to say on the sanders move, but right now S play is my #1 defensive concern
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    Sanders and Butler for me.
    And right now I think I'd would have liked Wilhite here over Molden as the 5th CB.
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    We should have kept Merriweather. We had Sergio and Barrett as replacements and I don't know what Belichick sees in those guys.

    With CBs, our top 4 being McCourty, Bodden, Arrington, and Ras I, I understand why we let Wilhite and Butler go.
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    i think he sees guys that will at least play the system, and not their own thing

    S needs an upgrade, that is for sure......but was meri really an upgrade?

    he made plays, but he also blew a heck of a lot of plays doing his own thing

    all i can remember last year was *****ing about his play

    if chung can provide some stability, we just need barrett/brown to be where they need to be.....i also wouldn't be surprised to see a little more creativity if we get the CB's all healthy
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    I'm still scratching my head on why we dumped these two.. The replacements haven't been any better, actually worse..
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    who's been worse than butler (discounting injury)?
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    I guess the question right now is what's better?

    Guys who know the system but aren't good enough to make plays (Barrett/Brown) or Merriweather who didn't know the system as well as he should but still made some big plays along with boneheaded plays.

    Merriweather was a better run supporter IMO. His cover skills were also better when he knew who to cover. Barrett/Brown, they just don't have the ability to make plays even though they know their assignment. The good thing with Brown/Barrett is that they're not going to blow their assignments, but it hasn't really stopped opposing teams from making big plays.

    We'll see how this plays out. I'm hoping for one of our CBs to be switched to FS when they're all healthy. We need someone back there to stabilize our pass defense.
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