Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by marcus, Dec 19, 2007.
He should be in there over Houshmanzadeh.
Dallas had 11 players picked
Please. Welker was probably the best slot receiver this year but receivers aren't selected like that. I didn't think Houshe made it - it was Moss, Wayne and Edwards.
I (for all intensive purposes) agree with you.
I think that Wes Welker should have made the probowl, especially since 11 players on Dallas made it.
Not to go all English major on you but it's "for all intents and purposes"
This is silly homerism. Housh is having a better season, and has been overlooked for a long time. He certainly deserves the nod over Welker.
I agree Housh deserves the nod. Through 8 game she was on pace for like 154 receptions (I know; I have him in my point per reception fantasy league).
Had Henry not returned from his suspension there is no doubt he would have shattered Marvin Harrison's single season record.
As is, he'll still likely end up with 110+ catches. Please go find all the WRs who had 110+ catches in a season and show me the one(s) that did not go to the Pro Bowl.
Housh should make it over Welker, definately...But Welker could definately be the 5th receiver...For some strange reason there are only 4 WRs selected. Makes very little sense.
Dallas in irrelevant. The last I heard they played in a different conference. It used to be that New England was proud that we won with a TEAM rather than with a few individual stars. That being said, Welker has NOT been one the four top receivers in the AFC.
It's too bad that Chad didnt make it in. Would have been cool to see Brady under center with him and Moss lined up outside. A nice preview of what our team could look like in a couple of years.
Housh has a slight edge in catches, yards and 3 more TDs. Their statistics are (for all intents and purposes) exactly the same. Wes is doing it on a 14-0 team, TJ is a "difference maker" on a 5-9 squad. Wes is considered the best at his position; TJ, not so much. I think Wes deserves to be there more than TJ.
NAME REC YDS AVG YPG LNG TD
TJ WR, CIN 101 1028 10.2 73.4 42 11
WW WR, NWE 96 1004 10.5 71.7 42 8
The fact that Welker plays on a better team does NOT make him more deserving to go to the Pro Bowl.
I truthfully was very wary of Housh making it to the ProBowl. During the first half of the season he was on fire and was working towards setting records. But during the second half of the season the QB and WRs have had a complete meltdown. This was very evident during the SF game. Also it has been said in quite a few corners of the NFL that CJ and TJ are very vocally bashing teammates in the locker room and disrupting team chemistry.
His season, like his teamate 85, is having little impact in Cincy other than they two of them are tearing their own locker room apart. And they may have a point, but that's really no excuse. If you aren't part of the solution you are part of the problem.
Welker on the other hand is having a tremendous impact on a team with the most prolific #1 WR in the league.
I think the fans got it, but the player and coaches liklely have issues with Welker's pedigree. It takes a guy like Wes a couple of seasons to overcome that kind of prejudice. And I think some of the players and coaches may have given TJ the nod as a little slap at both Palmer and Ocho Cinco for their fairly public squabbles.
The real problem is the league cheaps out on pro bowl rosters at 42. There should be at least at 45 if not 53 players named in a league with 800 starters including ST, especially given the voters inability to dis former pro bowlers in decline.
There are only 4 WR slots and they tend to award them to 4 #1's. It was funny listening to Bill miked up trying to coach that kind of roster. He kept commenting to Josh last year that <fill in the blank> wasn't gonna block...
So despite the fact that TJ is having a better year, you think Welker should go in because he's on a better team?
you can complain that since there are so many good AFC receivers, that WW didn't make it, but don't say he should make it over T.J.
because that is stupid. No one wants to be a stupid idiot.
For all intensive pruposes, this is an inside joke on this board...
I thought Kelley Washington might make it as a special teamer. He has impressed the heck out of me on ST this season!
Pure 1000% homerism. lol- You lay out the numbers that completely favor Housh... in attempt to prove that Welker is actually having the better year?
Come on man... lol Just say "I like Welker better, and think he should make it because he plays for our team" (then waive the pom-pom's twice and clap).
Housh is having a better season.period. He has produced at a high level for a long time, but has always been overshadowed by CJ. This is his year, he's earned it.
Depends on your definition of better year. Is catching five extra passes and three TDs better when they are in a losing effort? TJ has been targeted 28 more times than Wes and he has five catches, 24 yards and three TDs more. Wes has been more productive. He deserves it more.
I'd like to slant this the other way:
Given that Jacksonville has NO players going to the Pro Bowl, how does Matt Light MAKE the Pro Bowl?
Khalif Barnes should be there over him.
Matt Light Leg-whipped his way to the pro bowl. He is much better at doing that than Khalif
I actually thought Matt Light's leg whip left much to be desired.
Or even Garrard over Roethlisberger. The dude came back from freaking CRONES disease... wins the starting QB battle in camp, and has played smart tough football all season. He should have edged out Rottenburger for the QB3 spot.
But Roethlisberger has more statistics that makes him more deserving!
You could make the argument that Chris Hanson's punts have been much more meaningful than Shane Lechler's this year.
Yrds and TD's arent the only two statistics counted bro...
Garrard has the better QB rating, has only thrown TWO picks all season, and out played ben in their (crucial) head to head match up in ****ty conditions (on the road).
I'd go with Roethisberger if only because that Steelers O-line has been bad all year. 2nd in the league in sacks and Big Ben shakes off like 4 more a game.
While I have been publicly calling for that #1 pick to be used on a dominant tackle prospect, I still don't understand why people insist on underrating Matt Light. He's a quality player.
If the statistics are identical I think it does. Playing on a winning team means important play, while playing on a loser could mean garbage time play. I don't think it's critical, but I think it should be considered when all else is equal.
I agree that Garrard deserves it more than Roethlisberger for a lot of the reasons that I think Welker deserves it more than TJ, particularly that they are both more productive than their respective counterparts.
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