Gasper: Maroney Ready to Run Hard

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  1. pencilneckgeek

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    I know there are a lot of haters out there, but this sounds like a guy who gets it.

  2. convertedpatsfan

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    It's doubtful we'll have a 100-yard rusher, but mostly because we have so many backs to share the load. But I hope we commit to run the ball, even if we aren't getting a lot of yards, to at least show some balance.
  3. Triumph

    Triumph Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Hes a Dancer.

    Strike up the music.
  4. mayoclinic

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    I particularly liked this part:

    "Maroney said he has learned a lot from watching 33-year-old Fred Taylor operate. 'Just like a lot of one-cuts and gos. A lot of times when you think there ain't nothing there just to keep your feet moving,' said Maroney. 'I learned a lot. How to really improve as an NFL running back.' "

    When we signed Taylor one of my hopes was that he would be a role model for Maroney and help teach him how to run. I thought Maroney looked his best his rookie year, when he had Corey Dillon as a role model. Hearing Maroney talk about making one cut and going and keeping his feet moving is music to my ears.
  5. weswelker#83

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  6. JSn

    JSn Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Maroney is a mysterious creature, no doubt about it. Under the tutelage of Faulk and now Taylor, I think he's going to turn it on this year and it wouldn't surprise me if he's revered along the lines of Lord Faulk around these parts 4-5 years hence.

    I don't mean to say he'll EVER manage to be the load-bearer, but he could become that third-down nightmare we'll be looking to replace in a couple of years.

    Makes you think though, Faulk and Taylor sure have been impressive.
  7. KontradictioN

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    He's looked pretty damn good in the snaps he's been given so far.
  8. RayClay

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    I think the guy is full of talent and he obviously has the right idea, but he needs to shut up and do it. He did it against San Diego in 2007, but he does tend to get gangly and waste time looking for spots.

    He needs to practice running compact and low and having faith the hole will be where it's supposed to be. It's that split second he's wasting that guys like Taylor and Dillon use to find a crack of daylight in a traffic jam where they can turn on the open field running.
  9. mgteich

    mgteich Veteran Supporter

    As has been pointed out many times, Maroney is like many running backs. If you give him the ball 20 times a game, he does fine (over 4.5 yards per carry as I recall). What were Dillon's numbers?

  10. RayClay

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    By the way, I think Maroney's a nice kid and sincere and he was learning from Dillon before he got hurt. Taylor is a great role model with a different style that's closer to Maroney's in the quickness and running style aspect. Nice bonus the Taylor looks fresh and able, so they might as well use him.

    The other aspect is toughness. Maroney's going to have to prove it, all the top RBs have it. I loved Dillon's meanness and sarcasm. He earned every bit of his attitude, 300 lb. lineman at a time. It kills me these posters that say he wasn't the wonderfullest nicest teammate. Who cares (and it's not true, he spent plenty of time grooming his replacement). Miss congeniality doesn't run head first into 1500 lbs of people trying to kill her.

    All successful runing backs are tough and Taylor had to fight his soft image. Curtis Martin is the nicest guy in the world, but I'm sure in a fight, you'd have to drive a stake through his heart before he quit. That's what it's all about.

    Maroney is going to have to prove it on the field and drive Fred Taylor into retirement. Time for talk is done.
  11. ursa99

    ursa99 On the Roster

    Every time Maroney opens his mouth he talks about 'learning'. That time is OVER. He still see's himself as a student. He needs to graduate and get it done. Time to quit the dance class and put up the numbers. I think everyone would agree that the Pats have had infinite patience with him waiting for his breakout game/year.
  12. RayClay

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    Dillon's average numbers were comparable in his big seasons. As usual, statistics based on averages don't tell the whole story when it comes to running backs. Not knocking his average, and he was really a complete running back in the sanDiego 2007 game and others, also he's been injured.

    The problem with averages are, they often don't tell the whole story.

    For you statisticians out there, the median or the mode might be more indicative of successfully moving the chains than average yards.
    IMO moving the chains is a more important aspect of a running game, because it is easier to pass for 15-20 yards than run, so what is the real benefit of a runner who occasionally breaks one but has difficulty in close quarters?

    When you have a Brady and Moss? Relatively little, I'd say.

    A hypothetical example. Let's take four downs.

    Swifty has a 20 yard run in there, 3 times <1 yard. Pokie gets 3.5 yards each carry.

    Swifty never makes the 20 yard run if it is the last in sequence. If it is third, he gets a first down and has a first and 9+. If it's second, he has a first down then 3rd and 8+.

    If it's on first down he has a first down, then 3 runs for less than 3 yards, so he punts on 4th and 7+.

    Pokie gets a first down on 3rd and 3, then gains 3.5 on first down to leave his team at 2nd and 6+.

    Swifty averaged about 5.5 (between 5.75 and 5.25) a carry. Pokie, obviously averaged 3.5.

    [By the way, if you want a real life pokie, check 4 time pro bowler Eddir George. Sanders is probably the most effective swifty, but college ball is full of them, because of the relative lack of QB WR talent.]
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  13. festy1986

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    is he ready to run north to south yet? cause he's still running east to west
  14. SyN65

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  15. TommyBrady12

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  16. crypto

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    I'll be the first to give Lo Mo credit for running hard today.

  17. Patjew

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    I've never bashed Maroney before. But I'm getting close to. I hope Taylor is OK.
  18. JSn

    JSn Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    Let's remember this Ravens D is a run-stopping force and DANG if LoMo doesn't look good in space.

    No, not outer space...
  19. BritPat

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    He had one bad run, and was mostly met at the LOS or behind it.

    It would be interesting to see what Box or Jays thought if they fancy breaking down the game-tape of his runs.

    I#ll say it again though - there's something about our O-line that's not right when Maroney is back there. There's some kind of tell.
  20. BritPat

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    Exactly, when he got the ball in space he was first rate. I don;t understand why they don;t use him more in the passing game.

    They have to get things sorted about him running the ball though. There's something not right.
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