Full Salary for Cobbs on the PS

[pats1]

Pass didn't play against Denver, but that wasn't my point. I think the lack of any kind of running threat (with all our RBs hurt) is what lost the Denver game. After the game, Lynch said that the plan was to ignore the run and hit Brady every chance they could, and it worked perfectly. Brady never got into a rhythm.

That was certainly the problem.

I was thinking of the first Denver game, where Pass played and was quite effective.

ps I didn't actually compare Cobbs to Payton. All I said was that we could have used a RB like Cobbs against Denver to keep Denver's D honest. A "between the tackles banger" would at least make Play Action work.

Cobbs isn't exactly an inside "banger." People are comparing him as "the next Faulk," which would mean, as we've seen in the preseason, he's more of a draw/third down/receiving back.

There's nothing to show Cobbs would have been any better than what the Pats had in Denver. He wouldn't have gotten any carries over Dillon, Faulk, and Evans. In the first Denver game, there's nothing to suggest he would have been any better than Famous Amos.

pps I realize Cobbs was a "freakin' UFDA," but how different is that from being a "freakin' seventh round pick"?

ppps I also realize that Cobbs has no "real" NFl carries yet, but Pass has averaged 20 carries A YEAR over his career, about 1 per game. I'm not sure how much that proves when it comes down to being a between-the-tackles running threat. I understand that Pass can catch the ball also, but that wasn't the problem vs Denver. We had plenty of pass catchers (no pun intended). What we needed was a power runner.

Again, I wouldn't call Cobbs a power runner by any means.

Evans and Dillon were the power runners. They still are.

I still believe that if we had Eckel or Chapman (or Cobbs) to play against Denver, we'd have hosted the Steelers at home the next week. A running game was all we lacked.

Can you pass over whatever is making you think Kyle Eckel or Chapman or Cobbs would make the difference between winning and losing that game?

They would have been INACTIVE!!! I seriously doubt they would have been any more effective than what Dillon and Faulk were bringing, especially behind that battered OL! That's just a plain ludicrious idea - that if Kory Chapman was on the roster, based on what we saw in the preseason, that he would suddenly be the Pats' savior and lead them to victory over the Broncos.

(or are you trying to tell me the Pats would make Dillon inactive in favor of a scrub like Chapman or Eckel or Cobbs?)

If we had Maroney, sure, there would be a running game and different outcome.

And Senator, Patrick Cobbs is no Laurence Maroney.

 

[flutie2phelan]

Here is the Redskins defense Cobbs broke his 36 yard run last Saturday against:

LDE - Nic Clemons
LDT - Ryan Boschetti
RDT - Vaka Manupuna
RDE - Joe Sykes

SLB - Jeff Posey
MLB - Khary Campbell
WLB - Rocky McIntosh

LCB - Ade Jimoh
RCB - Julian Battle
FS - Reed Doughty
SS - Christian Morton


Less than half of those players will have jobs past this weekend.

He was also running behind two draft picks in Garrett Mills and Dan Stevenson, two proven backups in Mruc and Yates and the WR blocking specialist known as Bam.

You guys with your damned facts ... think you're so smart

 

[Pats726]

And next year, there will be another Chapman, Eckel, or Cobbs who tears it up against third and fourth stringers who we all gnash our teeth and weep over the possibility of someone signing him off our practice squad.

The only problem is that neither Chapman nor Eckel played anywhere near where Cobbs has, so that comparison is not valid. Yes, I liked both those players, but Cobbs has played a CUT ABOVE any of those other backs...and that is where the problem is. I must have missed the last few preseasons, because I haven't seen other 2nd 3rd tiered backs do anything like Cobbs has done. Not even Cedric Cobbs. I hope he's a keeper..RBs like this are hard to find..I think they keep him on the 53.

 

[Pats726]

And Senator, Patrick Cobbs is no Laurence Maroney.

Of course not..he's a totally different style runner...And as of now, NEITHER has played in an NFL game. I agree that Maroney will help the team's running back situation FAR more..but that isn't the issue. And one can say keep Evans all you want, but the question is going to be who is inactive for a game and that's a lot harder with only 2 QBs. I think one must look further than this year and who has the greater upside, Evans or Cobbs and how hard it's going to be to find another back ala Faulk. Cobbs has the tools, the smarts and I think the intangibles to be that back. If there was a way to gurantee he'd make it the PSqd, I'd buy that..but with a BIG chance he'd get picked up, I'd keep him over Evans.

 

[pats1]

The only problem is that neither Chapman nor Eckel played anywhere near where Cobbs has, so that comparison is not valid. Yes, I liked both those players, but Cobbs has played a CUT ABOVE any of those other backs...and that is where the problem is. I must have missed the last few preseasons, because I haven't seen other 2nd 3rd tiered backs do anything like Cobbs has done. Not even Cedric Cobbs. I hope he's a keeper..RBs like this are hard to find..I think they keep him on the 53.

Actually Eckel and Chapman had great preseasons last year and were the flavor of the month. I recall seeing many 53-man projections with Eckel on the team.

I think you may be overstating Cobbs - and then some. A lot of players are going to look good in the preseason, but that doesn't mean they're "hard to find," a "cut above," or "done something other backs haven't."

 

[Pats726]

Actually Eckel and Chapman had great preseasons last year and were the flavor of the month. I recall seeing many 53-man projections with Eckel on the team.

I think you may be overstating Cobbs - and then some. A lot of players are going to look good in the preseason, but that doesn't mean they're "hard to find," a "cut above," or "done something other backs haven't."

Maybe I am, overstating Cobbs, but I don't recall either Chapman or Eckels having games anywhere close to what Cobbs has had. THAT is a fact that I think you are overlooking. I agree a lot of players look good in preseason, very true, nonetheless, I think Cobbs is a cut above either of those players, FAR above both. I'll leave it to BB and the staff to see what they do with him, but my opinion is he will be a player in a few years, whether here (preferably) or with another team.

 

[dryheat44]

The twenty leading rushers of the preseason:

1 Cedric Cobbs DEN 161 28 5.8 1 26
2 Ray Perkins SD 151 40 3.8 1 16
3 Michael Turner SD 151 23 6.6 3 45
4 DeDe Dorsey CIN 149 20 7.5 0 46
5 Jerious Norwood ATL 145 24 6.0 1 62
6 Patrick Cobbs NE 143 26 5.5 2 36
7 Wali Lundy HOU 143 26 5.5 1 25
8 Frank Gore SF 140 26 5.4 1 18
9 Tyson Thompson DAL 139 30 4.6 0 25
10 Vernand Morency HOU 131 24 5.5 2 43
11 Earnest Graham TB 124 27 4.6 0 18
12 Musa Smith BAL 123 12 10.3 1 43
13 Jerome Harrison CLE 123 18 6.8 0 16
14 LaMont Jordan OAK 123 33 3.7 1 14
15 Willis McGahee BUF 122 23 5.3 1 61
16 Jamal Branch NO 120 25 4.8 1 29
17 Justin Fargas OAK 116 31 3.7 1 15
18 Marlion Jackson ATL 115 25 4.6 0 14
19 Mike Bell DEN 113 26 4.3 2 34
20 Marion Barber DAL 109 29 3.8 1 15



Use it as you will.

 

[Ring 6]

The twenty leading rushers of the preseason:

1 Cedric Cobbs DEN 161 28 5.8 1 26
2 Ray Perkins SD 151 40 3.8 1 16
3 Michael Turner SD 151 23 6.6 3 45
4 DeDe Dorsey CIN 149 20 7.5 0 46
5 Jerious Norwood ATL 145 24 6.0 1 62
6 Patrick Cobbs NE 143 26 5.5 2 36
7 Wali Lundy HOU 143 26 5.5 1 25
8 Frank Gore SF 140 26 5.4 1 18
9 Tyson Thompson DAL 139 30 4.6 0 25
10 Vernand Morency HOU 131 24 5.5 2 43
11 Earnest Graham TB 124 27 4.6 0 18
12 Musa Smith BAL 123 12 10.3 1 43
13 Jerome Harrison CLE 123 18 6.8 0 16
14 LaMont Jordan OAK 123 33 3.7 1 14
15 Willis McGahee BUF 122 23 5.3 1 61
16 Jamal Branch NO 120 25 4.8 1 29
17 Justin Fargas OAK 116 31 3.7 1 15
18 Marlion Jackson ATL 115 25 4.6 0 14
19 Mike Bell DEN 113 26 4.3 2 34
20 Marion Barber DAL 109 29 3.8 1 15



Use it as you will.

Lets trade Branch for DeDe Dorsey!!!!
Then we can trade Maroney and Dillon for a WR.

 

[pats1]

Lets trade Branch for DeDe Dorsey!!!!
Then we can trade Maroney and Dillon for a WR.

I think we should trade that bum Maroney for the real back of the future:

Cedric Cobbs.


(Why can't we get guys like him?)

 

[dryheat44]

Lets trade Branch for DeDe Dorsey!!!!
Then we can trade Maroney and Dillon for a WR.

It's funny, because you know the Charger boards are full of people afraid that they'll lose Ray Perkins if they try to get him to the practice squad.

Ditto the Bengals for De De Dorsey and the Bucs for Earnest Graham.

I don't think many people on this board have heard of any of these guys. I'm a draftnik and I'm not familiar with Perkins or Dorsey. I doubt BB/SP are licking our chops to poach one of these guys off a practice squad, and vice versa, I doubt any enemy GM feels that way about Cobbs.

 

[Pats726]

It's funny, because you know the Charger boards are full of people afraid that they'll lose Ray Perkins if they try to get him to the practice squad.

Ditto the Bengals for De De Dorsey and the Bucs for Earnest Graham.

I don't think many people on this board have heard of any of these guys. I'm a draftnik and I'm not familiar with Perkins or Dorsey. I doubt BB/SP are licking our chops to poach one of these guys off a practice squad, and vice versa, I doubt any enemy GM feels that way about Cobbs.

I think there might be a few that do...NOT a stampede or rush, but the Jets, Colts?? OTHERS might be in the market for a Faulk type rook.

 

[Welker83]

The old rule prior to the CBA was as follows: (NEW cba will prolly increase these a bit)

Minimum salary is $4,350 per week. in a 17 week season that comes out to $73,950. If the team goes to the post season they get paid for those weeks also.

This is just the minimum so the club can decide and sign the player to more than this.

Also during preseason players receive $1000 a week in per diem plus $200 per game.

Also they get $80 a day for food.

The term sheet has not been written into the new CBA as of now. So most of these amounts have most likely increased by 10-15%

AND these players salaries will be counted against the Teams current cap...