Full Salary for Cobbs on the PS

[dryheat44]

while I agree that the pats can better afford to let a RB go this year - Corey healthy, MARONEY here - I'd disagree with this. Putting Chapman on the ps was a dumb move - I said so at the time - and our running game was AWFUL last year. We needed Chapman and he was gone.

I said so at the time too. But it wasn't because I was afraid he'd get poached, it was because I thought 3 RBs was a little thin. That's not really the point of this thread though.

I think Cobbs is our Faulk of the future and we need to find a spot for him, in place of or in addition to Heath Evans.

Every year a dozen Patrick Cobbs' get drafted. Two dozen more get invited to TC as undrafted free agents. We've had the "Faulk of the future" in camp every year it seems. Walt Williams, Earl Charles, Kory Chapman. We'll have another next year, whether Cobbs makes the team or not.

 

[pats1]

Guys, getting Cobbs on the practice squad means NOTHING.

For all intents and purposes, HE IS STILL A FREE AGENT.

Paying him full salary ($275k) over practice squad weekly salary means NOTHING.

If a team wants a player, THEY CAN SIGN HIM STRAIGHT OFF A PRACTICE SQUAD!

 

[Oswlek]

Guys, getting Cobbs on the practice squad means NOTHING.

For all intents and purposes, HE IS STILL A FREE AGENT.

Paying him full salary ($275k) over practice squad weekly salary means NOTHING.

If a team wants a player, THEY CAN SIGN HIM STRAIGHT OFF A PRACTICE SQUAD!

But they have to keep him on the 53 for three weeks.

 

[old 55]

There needs to be a spot for Cobbs

while I agree that the pats can better afford to let a RB go this year - Corey healthy, MARONEY here - I'd disagree with this. Putting Chapman on the ps was a dumb move - I said so at the time - and our running game was AWFUL last year. We needed Chapman and he was gone.

I think Cobbs is our Faulk of the future and we need to find a spot for him, in place of or in addition to Heath Evans.

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I agree completely on the evaluation of Cobbs. The kid has shown that he can be that Faulk type player. I also think that a guy like Cobbs making the team shows that the merit system is the #1 priority - work hard, play well and there is a place for you here.

Either Chapman or Eckels from last year would have given us a RB option that we neded with the injuries to Faulk, Pass and Dillon.

 

[pats1]

But they have to keep him on the 53 for three weeks.

Who said?

The only stipulation I know of is that the claimed player has to go on the 53.

 

[pats1]

Re: There needs to be a spot for Cobbs

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I agree completely on the evaluation of Cobbs. The kid has shown that he can be that Faulk type player.

Shown where? In the second half of a few preseason games?

Give me a break.

 

[pats1]

Re: what about eckels?

It wasn't a cut and sign, Miami put in a waiver claim. It was one of the all-time shadiest moves in football. It was pretty well-known that Eckel had to make the team or he would need to put in his time with the Navy (four years I think). I don't know it the practice squad would have counted towards "making the team," but Saban didn't want to even give that a chance. He put in a waiver claim knowing that the guy would not be able to go down to Miami, and subsequently put him on some sort of "reserve" list that deals with that situation. Since he was on the reserve list, he was Miami's property and may still even be today.

Basically, Saban crushed this guys hopes of ever making the NFL because he wanted to weaken NE's practice squad.

Edited to add that it was the Patriots, and the Patriots only that Eckel could make, due to their close proximity to the Rhode Island (I think) base he was due to report to. I don't think I made that clear before.

Eckel's contract with Miami ran out and is a free agent, but as you said, off with the Navy.

 

[Alk]

If he is retained on the roster, I can see him being the #2 or #3 back

Umm...

Dillon
Mahoney
Faulk

 

[Oswlek]

Who said?

The only stipulation I know of is that the claimed player has to go on the 53.

I know that I heard that before. I have no link, but I would bet that with this being around the time that PS are set, it will be written somewhere soon.

 

[jct]

Ok, so even at full rookie salary cobbs could sign with another team, but not necessarily Would right?
Sounds to me that Evans is better for the roster and reaching agreement with cobbs (to not sign with other teams) is best for the team.

 

[pats1]

Umm...

Dillon
Mahoney
Faulk

Evans, (Pass)...

 

[Alk]

Evans, (Pass)...

Well, I thought Evans was at least debatable. Pass would also be ahead of him if I felt he was going to be on this roster, but at this point, I think he's gone.

 

[dryheat44]

I know that I heard that before. I have no link, but I would bet that with this being around the time that PS are set, it will be written somewhere soon.

Section 2. Signing With Other Clubs: Any player under contract to a Club as a practice squad player shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any Club at any time during the League Year, to serve as a player on any Club’s Active or Inactive List, and any Club is completely free to negotiate and sign such a Player Contract with such player, without penalty or restriction, including, but not limited to, Draft Choice Compensation between Clubs or First Refusal Rights of any kind, or any signing period, except that such player shall not be permitted to sign a Player Contract with another Club to serve as a practice squad player while under contract as a practice squad player.

The player must remain on the 53 or an inactive list for the season.

 

[brady2brown]

I think some of you guys are overreacting here to a player who's had some nice plays against guys who will be working construction at this time next week..

This is exactly what I said last year about Eckel and Chapman. No one is going to want them. But Eckel was claimed on waivers (didn't make it past the Miami,number two on the waiver priority list) and Chapman was signed off our practice squad by the Colts. I was wrong then and I think you are underestimating Cobbs now.

I just imagine what our Denver game might have looked with a player like Patrick Cobbs to hand off to when all our RBs were hurt and Denver just teed off on Brady all game.

 

[DaBruinz]

Who said?

The only stipulation I know of is that the claimed player has to go on the 53.

Pats1 -
Its in the rules. A player signed off another team's practice squad has to be on the 53 for a minimum of 3 weeks.

EDIT: Even I stand corrected thanks to dryheat.

 

[pats1]

Pats1 -
Its in the rules. A player signed off another team's practice squad has to be on the 53 for a minimum of 3 weeks.

Even so, that's not any huge commitment for a team if they like what they see enough from the player to claim him.

 

[pats1]

This is exactly what I said last year about Eckel and Chapman. No one is going to want them. But Eckel was claimed on waivers (didn't make it past the Miami,number two on the waiver priority list) and Chapman was signed off our practice squad by the Colts. I was wrong then and I think you are underestimating Cobbs now.

I just imagine what our Denver game might have looked with a player like Patrick Cobbs to hand off to when all our RBs were hurt and Denver just teed off on Brady all game.

Give me a BREAK!

"A player like Patrick Cobbs?"

What the hell is he now, Walter Payton?

He's a freakin' UDFA who hasn't even seen real NFL action yet. He would have been crushed against a defense like the Broncos', just like Amos was (and Pass wasn't.)

This Cobbs HYPE is getting completely out of hand and is borderline disturbing.

 

[pats1]

Here is the Redskins defense Cobbs broke his 36 yard run last Saturday against:

LDE - Nic Clemons
LDT - Ryan Boschetti
RDT - Vaka Manupuna
RDE - Joe Sykes

SLB - Jeff Posey
MLB - Khary Campbell
WLB - Rocky McIntosh

LCB - Ade Jimoh
RCB - Julian Battle
FS - Reed Doughty
SS - Christian Morton


Less than half of those players will have jobs past this weekend.

He was also running behind two draft picks in Garrett Mills and Dan Stevenson, two proven backups in Mruc and Yates and the WR blocking specialist known as Bam.

 

[brady2brown]

Give me a BREAK!

"A player like Patrick Cobbs?"

What the hell is he now, Walter Payton?

He's a freakin' UDFA who hasn't even seen real NFL action yet. He would have been crushed against a defense like the Broncos', just like Amos was (and Pass wasn't.)

This Cobbs HYPE is getting completely out of hand and is borderline disturbing.

Pass didn't play against Denver, but that wasn't my point. I think the lack of any kind of running threat (with all our RBs hurt) is what lost the Denver game. After the game, Lynch said that the plan was to ignore the run and hit Brady every chance they could, and it worked perfectly. Brady never got into a rhythm.

ps I didn't actually compare Cobbs to Payton. All I said was that we could have used a RB like Cobbs against Denver to keep Denver's D honest. A "between the tackles banger" would at least make Play Action work.

pps I realize Cobbs was a "freakin' UFDA," but how different is that from being a "freakin' seventh round pick"?

ppps I also realize that Cobbs has no "real" NFl carries yet, but Pass has averaged 20 carries A YEAR over his career, about 1 per game. I'm not sure how much that proves when it comes down to being a between-the-tackles running threat. I understand that Pass can catch the ball also, but that wasn't the problem vs Denver. We had plenty of pass catchers (no pun intended). What we needed was a power runner.

I still believe that if we had Eckel or Chapman (or Cobbs) to play against Denver, we'd have hosted the Steelers at home the next week. A running game was all we lacked.

 

[Gopats!!!]

I think no matter what we pay Cobbs, if he is offered a job at a team with RB needs, he will jump. Here we seem to be deep.

I do not believe Dillon is washed up.

Maroney seems solid (in the preseason anyway)

Faulk still has some moves left in him.

Sure, Dillon and Faulk are older, but if he is able to catch on somewhere in need of a RB, he will probably jump at it.