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Jimmy is available. But at the right price.
And that's 2 firsts plus.
Watch it be a mid-round second for Jimmy with Ninkovich thrown in, sort of like what BB got for Cassel.
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And that's 2 firsts plus.
Garrett is a guy i am not super super high on. Should he go first? Yeah. Do I think he is a sure thing? No. I think he will be good but not a sure thing. Also other pass rushers in this draft might turn out to be better and it would not surprise me.
Trading down is clearly the best value. The top of this draft has issues.
Allen with his medical, Garrett with some off the field and competition questions. The only guy I feel like is 100% sure to be a probowler for years and years is Hooker.
Garrett is a guy i am not super super high on. Should he go first? Yeah. Do I think he is a sure thing? No. I think he will be good but not a sure thing. Also other pass rushers in this draft might turn out to be better and it would not surprise me.
Trading down is clearly the best value. The top of this draft has issues.
Allen with his medical, Garrett with some off the field and competition questions. The only guy I feel like is 100% sure to be a probowler for years and years is Hooker.
He played a good game against us in the Playoffs minus a couple bad plays. They could have beaten us. He outplayed Brady most of the game. The Texans were tougher than the Steelers with BO at the QB in our Playoff run.I'd trade down too, for a team so bad like the Browns, even the best pass rusher in the league won't move the needle in the winning direction. If he get's 2 sacks a game, even if those are two 3rd down stops, or putting the other team on a 3rd and 20, it's not going to help much if the other team can still score 2 TD's and 2 FG's and you can't outscore them.
I was thinking today, what happened with those plans of dumping Osweiller? Maybe they are not panicking because if they draft Fournette or the other top RB and strength their O-line that is already a good unit, with Osweiller they can possible be in the 6-10 7-9 conversation which is already a good improvement. For the Browns right now the most important thing is build a culture of winning games, they can't tank even if things start to go bad and there's a Peyton Manning type going for the next draft.
Of course Osweiller is not the answer long term and he was bad in Houston, but he was cool when playing in Denver, right now has some good experience and may work out at least for this year.
The number one pick in the draft for a QB who has played a game and a half is insane. And you want more on top of that? I know fans overrate their own players and prospect, but that's just ridiculous.
I'd trade down too, for a team so bad like the Browns, even the best pass rusher in the league won't move the needle in the winning direction. If he get's 2 sacks a game, even if those are two 3rd down stops, or putting the other team on a 3rd and 20, it's not going to help much if the other team can still score 2 TD's and 2 FG's and you can't outscore them.
I was thinking today, what happened with those plans of dumping Osweiller? Maybe they are not panicking because if they draft Fournette or the other top RB and strength their O-line that is already a good unit, with Osweiller they can possible be in the 6-10 7-9 conversation which is already a good improvement. For the Browns right now the most important thing is build a culture of winning games, they can't tank even if things start to go bad and there's a Peyton Manning type going for the next draft.
Of course Osweiller is not the answer long term and he was bad in Houston, but he was cool when playing in Denver, right now has some good experience and may work out at least for this year.
He played a good game against us in the Playoffs minus a couple bad plays. They could have beaten us. He outplayed Brady most of the game. The Texans were tougher than the Steelers with BO at the QB in our Playoff run.
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The problem is that they are in ohio.. Have any of you ever been there or at least watched the drew Cary show? They make clothes look deliberately horrible like animal skins.. They all wear coke bottle glasses and read stupid stories. The mistake on the lake folks may have even slithered out of lake Erie only a few days ago. Now they are bummed out because they cant find a high enough building to jump off from.
To be fair Jimmy was the third to last pick in the second round. He was by no means a "high" second round pick.Don't be a Fool He was a high Second round pick who was a 4 year starter in college, threw for 5000 yards, has been groomed for three years, and has demonstrated the ability to start and excel at the NFL level.
Yet you would expend a First for a guy who was not good enuf to start in college till his senior year, and played only 13 games?
You wrote a post trying to predict how future players would play based upon what different players in the past did (with much hindsight) then concluded thatYou are correct. Much riskier to draft a quarterback.
List of 1st Round Quarterback Selections, Since 2010
Andrew Luck (1)
Cam Newton (1)
Jameis Winston (1)
Sam Bradford (1)
Jared Goff (1)
Marcus Mariota (2)
Carson Wentz (2)
Blake Bortles (3)
Ryan Tannehill (8)
Jake Locker (8)
Blaine Gabbert (10)
Christian Ponder (12)
EJ Manuel (16)
Johnny Manziel (22)
Brandon Weeden (22)
Tim Tebow (25)
Paxton Lynch (26)
Teddy Bridgewater (32)
Clearly this shows when there are obvious, can't miss prospects, you want to draft them immediately. It's not surprising that the clear-cut top quarterbacks, which almost every scout said would be good (Luck, Newton, Bradford, Winston, Mariota) have been worth the gamble, although the jury is still out on the latter two, and Bradford is hard to evaluate due to injuries. Beyond the obvious blue chip prospects, though, pretty much whenever scouts have had big concerns but still used a first round pick, these guys have busted. Taking "the best available quarterback of the class" has led to some terrible results. The class of 2017 has huge question marks all around.
Notable Quarterback Selections, Since 2010
Just to show what a total crapshoot the draft is beyond the obvious can't miss quarterbacks:
Andy Dalton (2nd round, 35 overall)
Colin Kaepernick (2nd round, 36 overall)
Derek Carr (2nd round, 36 overall)
Mike Glennon (3rd round, 75 overall)
Russell Wilson (3rd round, 75 overall)
Kirk Cousins (4th round, 102 overall)
Dak Prescott (4th round, 135 overall)
Tyrod Taylor (6th round, 180 overall)
Trevor Siemian (7th round, 250 overall)
This has more to do with the volume of draft picks than anything else, and the idea that if you draft a ton of quarterbacks, some will pan out. Still, looking at the grades on all of these players, it further reinforces the concept that a lot of this is random, and the odds are against you. Three years of practice, an apprenticeship with Tom Brady and Bill Belichick, preseason and six quarters of regular season game film, all add up to a more likely chance of success.
We don't want to turn them into an AFC contender. Browns or NFCGaroppolo is as good of a prospective starter as there is in the league right now. If you don't have a starting quarterback you trust, you're interested in Garoppolo.
These draftniks who expect the world on a plate for him in terms of draft picks are probably going to be disappointed in the return if he is traded. I really think these offers floating around are a result of Belichick throwing ridiculous prices around to scare off anyone who's not totally serious. I don't think 2 firsts is realistic considering the short time the team would have Garoppolo under control, and a trade with a conditional extension is probably going to cost less in terms of picks.
Since, while I believe we absolutely must keep an open mind, I fully believe Brady won't ACTUALLY decline on a favorable timetable for Garoppolo plans, I think he will be traded, either now or in the near future. For G's own sake I'm really hoping he winds up in a better place than Cleveland. My personal preference would be for him to wind up in Houston somehow. The Texan franchise needs a good quarterback and are in a position to treat Garoppolo right. And he'd probably be able to make that franchise one of the most respectable in the NFL if he lives up to his promise.
He didn't shred the cardinals. He played ok.Garappolo has game tape of him shredding an NFC Conference Finalist from 2015 and an eventual 2016 playoff team.
Goff was drafted #1 last year without game tape of him successfully fielding a snap from under center and properly dropping back to throw.
Your statement is probably the current conventional wisdom, but the conventional wisdom is very wrong if that's the case. Jimmy G was good enough to be a 2nd round pick three years ago, and nothing he's done since should have diminished his value. I'd happily trade the #12 overall pick and next year's #1 for Jimmy, or the #1 overall. If the Pats are demanding more than that I'd have to hash it over with my scouting dept.
>>You know what's most overrated? Draft picks.If Garoppolo plays 10 snaps this year and hits the FA market next year, he'll command north of 14m AAV - well north. Probably 17+.
There's three years of preseason tape on him, showing mechanics, progress, and development, and then, when it counted, he went on the road to Arizona and beat them, then obliterated Miami in one half of football.
I'd sure as hell trade the #1 for him than use it to draft any of the guys coming out this year.
You know what's most overrated? Draft picks.
Jadeveon Clowney is into Year 4 of his rookie contracts and has registered 10.5 sacks. And he's 7m against the cap this year.
He'll probably blossom this year, if he can stay healthy, then get his option picked up for big bucks, then command ridiculous money after next year as a UFA.
There's your surest #1 pick since Andrew Luck.
Meanwhile, Derek Carr is one of the rare college QBs of late to blossom into a more-than-capable QB and look at his value to the Raiders - easy to see, since we all witnessed what happened to that contender when he broke his leg.
JJ Watt might be the best defensive player of this era...count his rings.
QB is everything.
>>QB is everything.If Garoppolo plays 10 snaps this year and hits the FA market next year, he'll command north of 14m AAV - well north. Probably 17+.
There's three years of preseason tape on him, showing mechanics, progress, and development, and then, when it counted, he went on the road to Arizona and beat them, then obliterated Miami in one half of football.
I'd sure as hell trade the #1 for him than use it to draft any of the guys coming out this year.
You know what's most overrated? Draft picks.
Jadeveon Clowney is into Year 4 of his rookie contracts and has registered 10.5 sacks. And he's 7m against the cap this year.
He'll probably blossom this year, if he can stay healthy, then get his option picked up for big bucks, then command ridiculous money after next year as a UFA.
There's your surest #1 pick since Andrew Luck.
Meanwhile, Derek Carr is one of the rare college QBs of late to blossom into a more-than-capable QB and look at his value to the Raiders - easy to see, since we all witnessed what happened to that contender when he broke his leg.
JJ Watt might be the best defensive player of this era...count his rings.
QB is everything.
He turn his first two round draft picks into two young already experienced players.I have to assume he knew that at the time he made those trades.
Guys, Osweiler absolutely sucks.
In the 1993 scenario, am I swimming in excess draft picks and are there nothing but future EJ Manuels in the draft pool? Because if so I gladly trade the #12 overall pick and next year's #1 or something at that level.He didn't shred the cardinals. He played ok.
Goff wasn't drafted for 2017. By his 3rd year you can compare him to where garoppolo was last year.
Just flip the script for a minute. Back in 1993 when the patriots were pretty much what the browns are now are you seriously telling me you would have traded the #1 plus next years number 1 for a QB who was drafted in the late second round 3 years ago, and has sat on the bench for 3 years except for starting 1 game and playing decent then starting a second and playing a really good half but getting injured and wasn't able to play the next 2 games at least.
The rest of the world doesn't think just because he is a patriot the only thing that exists is his best case projection.
You wrote a post trying to predict how future players would play based upon what different players in the past did (with much hindsight) then concluded that
Playing for belichick
Being Brady's teammate
Playing in the preseason
Playing 6 quarters in the NFL in your first 3 years
Is better.
None of those things have ever procen tobequal success with the exception of Brady playing for belichick.
Yeah I agree he sucked in Houston and I don't know what game or in what kind of state DW Toys watched that game, Houston were never on it even when the Patriots were shooting themselves in the foot.
But, he played Ok in Denver in that system, mechanics a part, at least from a pressure perspective. In Houston though he was like a deer in the headlights. We don't know what happened indoors, maybe he was under a lot of pressure from the ownership because of his contract, maybe BoB somehow ****ed up early approaching him like "Look kid, nothing against you, you are not my guy, you are a Rick Smith hire, but since you are already here let's work this out". You say this thing to a guy mentally strong and he will make you eat those words, Osweiller may have crapped his pants, of course, all speculative here, but considering that right now BoB has mismanaged his QB situations many times I don't doubt he somehow ****ed this too, he's a good coach, but he needs to prove he can manage the QB situation, so far he messed up everytime he needed to step up.
So obviously after a frustrating season Houston didn't insist in that mistake, they were 100% right this time, it was going to only get worse, but that doesn't mean Osweiller can't work out elsewhere, by work out I mean being a game manager in a team with talent distributed in other positions.