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  1. Remix 6

    Remix 6 Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

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    Lets not remind ourselves of what happened during the AFC Championship last year. You got a lead and you stay conservative and what happens? Jets werent the 1s that unleashed us..it was the Colts. When they came back and took away our SUPERBOWL, it proved that u cant stay happy with a lead. And now..we are just finishing games instead of letting teams do what the Colts did to us.

    Blame Colts for making us the way we are at end of game. Not Jets..not BB.
     
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    Agreed. First post here, been lurking for a while but this whole 'running the score up' crap has gotten my blood boiling so I figured I'd come out of hiding.

    A few things I wanted to say: 1) I do believe the Patriots are not taking the classic 'running the clock down' approach of other teams, despite consistently lopsided scores. Part of this, in my opinion, is that Belichick might not have confidence in Maroney's ability to stay healthy. If they could run the clock out with a bruising, rock solid back, I think they'd do it. With the running backs on the this Pats team, you either can't be sure they'd get through the game uninjured (Maroney), don't think they could handle that kind of workload (Faulk) or believe it would be 3-and-out, thus defeating the purpose of running out the clock (Evans, Eckel). 2) I also believe that Brady throwing late in the third/early in the fourth in a 38-0 game would and should rub people the wrong way--as a Pats fan I have no problem with it, but it's obvious that non-Pats fans would despise that sort of play.

    That said, what are they supposed to do? Here are the scores at halftime, and then at the end of the third, of every game they've played this season:

    @NYJ: 14-7 1st HALF; 28-14 3rd Q
    SD: 24-0; 31-7
    BUF: 17-7; 31-7
    CIN: 17-7; 24-10
    CLE: 20-0; 20-3
    DAL: 21-17; 31-24
    MIA: 42-7; 42-7
    WAS: 24-0; 38-0

    Averaging that out, you're looking at a lead of 22.4-5.6 at the half, and 27.1-7.3 at the end of the third. In fact, take out the Dallas game and you're looking at averages of 22.5-4 and 30.6-4.9. So they're outscoring their opponents by 17 at the half, 20 at the end of the third quarter...this is, quite simply, unprecedented. NOBODY does this, not the 85 Bears, the 04 Colts, it simply hasn't happened. So are they supposed to put in their second team and run up the gut at the start of the 3rd EVERY SINGLE game? If anything, this is not fair to the Patriots players; granted they're getting some extra rest every game, but when you have to take your foot off the gas pedal after 30 minutes of football how do you improve as a team?

    All that said, here are some scores from the 1985 Bears:
    45-10 over the Skins
    44-0 over Dallas
    36-0 over Atlanta
    37-17 over Detroit

    Those are the only games I would consider blowouts (during the regular season, that is...we don't have to bring up the postseason). One in every 4 games. Here's the 2004 Colts:

    35-14 over Oakland
    49-14 over Houston
    41-10 over Chicago
    41-9 over Detroit
    51-24 over Tennessee

    So 5 times in their 16 regular season games. By the way, look at some of those scores...looking through the box scores, and going a bit off memory, they DEFINITELY had some games that were just as blanant, if not more so, than any the Pats have had (I'm thinking in particular of the games against Houston, Detroit, Tennessee) and I didn't hear a peep about the Colts running up the score...granted they did alot of second half running, but they had a solid running back who averaged 4.6 yards a carry, they had the luxury of comfortably running, getting some first downs and actually 'running the clock out.' Oh, one other point about that 2004 Colts season and the 2007 Pats: Manning threw the ball 497 times in his record breaking season; Brady is on pace for 458...just saying.

    Things like this 8 game run DO NOT happen, teams are not supposed to be this much better than the rest of the league. The whole 'weak schedule' gets pretty blurry at this point, considering they now have blowout victories against teams that are 6-0 (Dallas), 4-2 (Washington), 4-2 (Cleveland), and 3-3 (Buffalo, and they should be 5-1 if it weren't for some awful late game collapses)--all of those taking out the losses to the Patriots, of course.

    Anyway, my point is that what the Pats are doing is unprecedented, and for that reason there's no way of knowing what they should and shouldn't be doing in all of their blowout victories.
     
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    Devil's advocate...

    The Patriots haven't played a team able to put up points like the Colts can until this coming weekend. The Skins offense might not be able to drop two score on Notre Dame. :eek:

    ::turns devil's advocate switch off::
     
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    I'm tired of this debate about "running up the score". Is their a rule that says teams can only score a certain amount of points? All those dildos need to shove it.
     
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    if Fins put up what..21 on us..and Lions put up 34 in 1 quarter on the Bears..what makes u think they cant

    what we see on TV and what the team sees on film are 2 different things. Skins offense has a ton of potential..really. Moss/Randel El are 1 play away from scoring 80 yards out.
     
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    Geez, this again.

    Last time I checked this was the NFL. Offensive players are paid millions to score points, and there shouldn't be shame in doing that.
     
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    There have been hundreds of posts post on this board criticizing manning for padding his stats and the colts for running up the score.

    If we have no problem with running up scores, that's fine.
     
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    Not sure about that...the Cowboys are averaging 32.4 points a game (36.7 if you don't include their game against the Pats), which is more than the Colts at this point.

    Not saying they have a better offense than the Colts, but the Cowboys do have, statistically, the second best offense in the league.
     
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    This is certainly true. Makes me think, though...

    - Why is it that so many players are publicly criticizing it this time around?

    - Why is it that when the Colts do it it's all laid at the QB's feet, whereas when the Pats do it it's presumed to come straight from the head coach?
     
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    great post and analysis.

    you are right, we are witnessing a historical run
     
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    Do you honestly think there was any chance that Washington had a chance to come back? The game was completely out of reach. Not to mention, leaving Brady in risked an injury. Sorry, but I think it was a poor move.
     
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    I posted this with more depth on another thread. 4 games were blowouts this weekend. All for winning teams kept their starting quarterback in until at least finishing one drive in the 4th quarter.
     
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    I tend to agree about the injury, I'm kind of surprised it took as long as it did to get Brady out of there. You can get hurt on any play, let alone when the team you are beating may think you are running it up.
     
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    Was manning throwing touchdown passes in those games when he was up 38 points?

    I honestly don't know the answer to that.
     
  15. Remix 6

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    i recall at least 1. Threw it to clark against Texans for a TD.
     
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