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    ....a camp report. PM - not a full contact practice

    I'll try not to repeat what so many others have noted. Mostly these are just personal impressions.

    First of all when you are in the sideline stands MOST of the OL and DL work is done too far for you to see anything.

    The preseason is long and there is so much to see that if you try and watch everything you end up seeing nothing. So I after I tried and failed to do exactly what I just said, and concentrated on the DBs, CB specifically, and here are a few observations.

    L Boddin is the real deal. You all read about the play he made on Moss, but he was right on the ball for all the drills I watched. He was very physical.

    I thought Butler looked very quick, though he hasn't seen a fake he hasn't fallen for. Moss made a double move on him and he fell for BOTH of them. But still you can see how he can be a big time starter in the future.

    Wilhite was playing the slot CB with the first group.

    It was Brandon McGowan who was starting with the first group, not James Sanders. This might mean nothing, but I'm surprised no one else has reported it.

    For the most part the offense was abusing the DBs and LBs in passing drills, but that's to be expected.

    A word of caution of JEdelman. It is very easy to fall in love with a try hard guy like him. He is like a mini Wes Welker, if its possible to be smaller than Wes Welker, and he often looks good. However it took Welker a full 4 years and 3 teams before Welker became a finished product and HE had a full college career as a WR. I do think he's doing enough to get on the PS, but roster spots are like gold on this team, and better players than Julian Edelman are going to be cut.

    BTW- He might never be a factor in the regular season, but you can't help notice that Sam Aiken is a quality WR. When I watch him I think of a big Jabar Gafney. He creates separation, he catches everything.. and did I mention the dude is BIG. He's a very nice luxury to have as a 5th WR

    Edelman is fast, but in watching him cover kickoffs, I couldn't help notice at a very big dude was beating him down the field. A quick check of my program and I found that #49 was Vince Redd. I knew he was one of those "measureable" guys, but when you watch him CONSISTENTLY beat WRs down the field, you can't help but be impressed. Hopefully some of that will translate to OLB.

    Finally a quick anecdote - It was the OL's turn to sign at the PM practice, though after a few minutes Moss stopped by the stands and signed for about 15 minutes. As I was walking out a young guy, in his late 20's I guess, was just beaming because he got Moss to sign his very long camera lens. He was telling a friend on the phone, how last year Moss wouldn't sign it. Finally he told his friend how he yelled to Moss how he had dogged him last year and he'd been waiting a year for this autograph to go along with several others he had on the lens....and he said, Moss smiled and signed it with a magic marker he gave him.

    See a nice story about a fan who is getting an autograph of a favorite player. A fan that percevered. I was feeling kind of nice as I walked along. And then... I guess by now you knew there was going to be a "and then"... And then after saying again how jacked and excited he was, his friend must of asked him if Brady was signing, and he said, "no".....and then added. "Yeah, when I can get Brady's signature, this lens is going up on EBay the next day..... free rent for a year"...

    Well needless to say my feel good enthusiasm for this story evaporated like a punctured balloon. Finally I said to him, "ever think that's why he didn't want to sign your lens in the first place." He gave me kind of an embarassed look before he looked away and wandered off and we went our separate ways. I can see now why some of these guys hate to sign stuff for adults. What sounded at first like a feel good story, turns out to be another tale of greed.

    But on the whole, it was a beautiful afternoon, and it didn't rain on me :D
     
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    Re: eyes on the prize..... camp tales

    Good stuff, man. Did you see more physical play from the new crop of CBs than we have in the past?
     
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    Re: eyes on the prize..... camp tales

    Big Sam jumped out me in one of Pats1's pictures from the a.m. and I'm not surprised to read about Redd on KO coverage, his preseason coverage was part of what sold me on keeping him with the team.
     
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    Re: Eyes on the prize...camp tales

    thanks for the report
     
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    Re: Eyes on the prize...camp tales

    A couple of quick things that have occurred to me after the fact.

    Ron Brace does NOT look like a fat NT type. It should also be noted that in the brief time he was on the main field with the defense, he played a lot of 3-4 DE, and 4-3 DT. I focused in on him just for 2 plays and I got the impression he got off the ball very quickly and kept low as he rushed, good knee bend. Granted this was a brief snapshot look, but I was happily impressed.

    Catch of the day. David Thomas. A one handed, kind of behind the back catch of a ball over the middle. Thomas looked like he's gonna make it hard for the team to cut him. All four of the TEs caught the ball very well this afternoon.
     
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    Re: Eyes on the prize...camp tales

    Great stuff. Thanks.
     
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    Re: Eyes on the prize...camp tales

    Thanks for your insight.. and it's true, much of what happens isn't close enough to see and if you try to watch everything you get nothing! It's hard not to have a swivel neck and it seems like you turn a second too late to see what folks are ahhhh-ing about! I sit in the EZ on the grass and it's really hard to see over the guys' heads when they stand behind the action.
     
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    Re: Eyes on the prize...camp tales

    Some thoughts:

    -- McGowan working with the ones may have allowed Sanders to work with the twos and put Meriweather on the spot as the field marshall while allowing Sanders to help out the twos. The only other afternoon report who mentions the Safeties is Perillo's and he has Sanders with the ones.
    -- Welker had nearly 1800 combined KR/PR yards as a rookie in 14 games (nearly 1900 in 15 if you add his one SD game in), he also kicked a FG and had 3 KOs as a rookie. He had just over 2200 combined yards WR/KR/PR in year two, then he jumped from 29 rec. to 67 for year three while cutting back a bit on his KR and still racking up over 2100 combined yards. When paired in his fourth year with a real QB and complimentary WR, he doubled his receptions and receiving yardage, but only gained a little more than 1600 yds in limited KR/PR work. If your concern is people will expect Edelman to be another Welker, let's see how Edelman does in the kicking game in preseason.
     
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    I didn't notice him playing end but did notice him and Vince playing DT on a 4 man line a few times. I assume this was more for the fits on offense but was interesting to see.

    And I also noticed that he doesnt quite look like the NT type and thought the same about 3-4 DE.

    Not saying he will ever be as talented but he could be a guy that can play anywhere on the line in the 3-4 kinda like Big Sey.

    as patfanken noted the WRs seemed to have the better of the DE. But with Moss, Welker, and those tightends that isnt to crazy for day one. And once I straightened out that it was Butler not Bodden who switched to 28 I was able to connect the dots to the unnamed DB that stood out to me. So again I agree with Patfanken that Bodden had probably the better day of the CBs.

    Merriweather Clearly seemed to be the best DB as he had a pick and a good run stuff in the early practice and almost had another pick in the second still a nice pass break up.
     
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    Re: Eyes on the prize...camp tales

    Any possibility we'll be playing more 4-2-5 this year, to play to our personnel strengths on defense?

    I don't see how Thomas is going to make the team. He may have good hands, but hasn't really showed it in real games while he's been here, he's not a great blocker, and he gets hurt a lot. I thought he would be a Fauria-like red zone killer, but he hasn't been good at anything.
     
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    Anything is possible. I just noted I agree with his assesment of Brace. But I wouldn't read to much into the 4 man line because when you are working on running fits on offense its common to go against a 4 man line as 20 teams run 4-3 give or take a few teams.

    But if Brace really developes maybe we would use a little more 4-3 to try and take advantage but they will never get to far from 3-4 because most of the personell is built for it.
     
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    Re: Eyes on the prize...camp tales

    How did Galloway look since not many have metioned him
     
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    his best grab would be an under thrown ball from Brady that he adjusted to and grabed with a reciever on him. He did drop an easy pass. You can see his speed and agility on display.
     
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    Re: Eyes on the prize...camp tales

    Umm . . . when was he supposed to do so? In 2006, when he had two first-round draft picks ahead of him? In 2007, when he was injured, and the Patriots rushed him back to the field too quickly? Or last year, when the Pats basically ran a one-TE offense?
     
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    Re: Eyes on the prize...camp tales

    One more question, how about Alex Smith? I think he could be a pretty good player for the patriots.
     
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    Re: Eyes on the prize...camp tales

    he showed up a few times as the guys sitting next to me kept joking there is Ben Coates.

    I have to admit outside of a couple grabs I wasnt watching him much.
     
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    Re: Eyes on the prize...camp tales

    Box I think your timing is off. IIRC, Welker was signed by the Charters in the spring of 2004. I think the stats you give him credit for he accomplished in 2006, his 3d season in the league.
     
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    Re: Eyes on the prize...camp tales

    You may be right, I'm sure BB isn't too concerned with who's working with who in the second practice of the season. I'm sure as fans we will make a big deal of stuff like this, but BB is such a situational coach, with numerous personel packages, its hard to tell who the starters actually are, and I'm pretty sure the only thing HE cares about is if they are one the field when they are supposed to be.

    IMHO all the situational packages that offenses and defenses have at their disposal is the hidden factor in why the game has changed so much in the last decade. Back in my day or even as recently as a decade ago, when you started the game, you finished the game (body willing), Now days with all the situational packages, if you are playing 70% of the snaps, its a heavy day. Yeah, I know there ARE guys who still do it, like the QB & OL, but but I bet the majority of the rest of the players on O and D are in that 70% area.
     
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    Re: Eyes on the prize...camp tales

    Well the fact is that in 2005 he had a game winning catch, and IIRC, it was a great one in the clutch in the endzone. I don't recall the exact game. You are right about him being hurt, and if it happens again in this camp he'll be done. However IF he is healthy. His receiving ability will make BB think long and hard about letting him go.
     
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    Re: Eyes on the prize...camp tales

    So you managed to make excuses for Thomas every year he's been here. What's he supposed to do this year too then, with 3 veterans ahead of him, all probably better too? Thomas is close to gone on this team.
     
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