RayClay
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That's the ticket. Yup, it's the 'haters' lacking the perspective.
Yes, it is.
Spoiled.
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Jerod mayo is in his fifth season. Except for Wilfork, every single player on the defense is new and most positions, and the whole based defense, has changed.
Our brutal rebuilding program consisted of a Super Bowl appearance, a continuation of ten years or so without winning less than ten games, including recent 13 and 14 game winning seasons. Sorry, if that is too frustrating to bear, I don't know what to say. We're having big problems in the secondary, but they're trying things. Look at the corners being cut with huge multi year contracts elsewhere. Almost everyone's having trouble with pass defense. I think we just need depth in the front seven, we're young, I'm patient. Buffalo figured Mario Williams was the instant answer, well, I'm glad we don't have that money tied up.
People should really be forced to root for a team like Buffalo that kicks away wins. Get a little perspective maybe.
It's only natural that people are going to be frustrated when our defense has been struggling that long.
90% of patriot fans love the offense and it's players......The defense is what's pissing off most fans.Everyone is entitled to post here. But I have noted a coterie of newer fans who are so bored with simply winning, that they must tear down the efforts of the Team when ever it's not Perfect. And sometimes even then too.
The "perfection cancer" even seems to be spreading to a few established posters too, who should know better.
The particular direction of their current ire is the secondary. But they have criticized the #1 Offense in the league as well. So they are equal opportunity haters.
Now they have taken it into their heads that the Coaches are to blame for having produced only the winning most record in the League over the past five or ten years. They, in their infinite hubris and wisdom, have decided the Coaching is poor; and the rookies and sophomores talentless, because of their lack of Perfection..
Shades of the commentary that led to Paul Brown being fired by the Cleveland Browns, because although he got his tream ot the Championship game, he hadn't won recently, so "the league had passed him by". That was after he created the most successful expansion franchise in history; and would do it once again, after he was let go.
They don't seem to know or remember how fragile it is to Win. Expereinced Pats Fans know very well, watching the teams fielded by Clive Rush, and a host of other failures.
These are "The Goode Olde Days" and they don't know it... or care.
This "perfection cancer" theory is BS and you seem to have gotten way too into your own theories. This is a stupid thread.
I frankly worry more about the people that would ignore all problems and just whistle in the dark. The cancer of complacence. Which do you think BB has? Is he a perfectionist, or does he ignore problems? Which are you in life? I know what I am, and I use the same standards on my football team even though I know no human can ever meet them. BB doesn't put the film in the can for wins. He pores over it to find places to improve. Why shouldn't we? Sure sometimes it goes overboard, just as the people wearing rose-colored glasses can go overboard with their praise of the Patriots, praise that would make you think we have no weaknesses despite having loss a third of our games so far.
The truth is probably in the mean somewhere, and most of us realize it. We are a very good team, blessed with an amazing QB/Head Coach combination. We have a bad defense (just look at the numbers, for goodness' sake), but luckily our offense is good enough to keep us in the game.
People who have strong opinions different from the above paragraph are probably extremists or trolls or noobs or in denial.
That's the ticket. Yup, it's the 'haters' lacking the perspective.
Everyone is entitled to post here. But I have noted a coterie of newer fans who are so bored with simply winning, that they must tear down the efforts of the Team when ever it's not Perfect. And sometimes even then too.
The "perfection cancer" even seems to be spreading to a few established posters too, who should know better.
The particular direction of their current ire is the secondary. But they have criticized the #1 Offense in the league as well. So they are equal opportunity haters.
Now they have taken it into their heads that the Coaches are to blame for having produced only the winning most record in the League over the past five or ten years. They, in their infinite hubris and wisdom, have decided the Coaching is poor; and the rookies and sophomores talentless, because of their lack of Perfection..
Shades of the commentary that led to Paul Brown being fired by the Cleveland Browns, because although he got his tream ot the Championship game, he hadn't won recently, so "the league had passed him by". That was after he created the most successful expansion franchise in history; and would do it once again, after he was let go.
They don't seem to know or remember how fragile it is to Win. Expereinced Pats Fans know very well, watching the teams fielded by Clive Rush, and a host of other failures.
These are "The Goode Olde Days" and they don't know it... or care.
...People should really be forced to root for a team like Buffalo that kicks away wins. Get a little perspective maybe.
This "perfection cancer" theory and whining about "spoiled" fans is BS.
I frankly worry more about the people that would ignore all problems and just whistle in the dark. The cancer of complacence. Which do you think BB has? Is he a perfectionist, or does he ignore problems? Which are you in life? I know what I am, and I use the same standards on my football team even though I know no human can ever meet them.
BB doesn't put the film in the can for wins. He pores over it to find places to improve. Why shouldn't we? Sure sometimes it goes overboard, just as the people wearing rose-colored glasses can go overboard with their praise of the Patriots, praise that would make you think we have no weaknesses despite having loss a third of our games so far.
The truth is probably in the mean somewhere, and most of us realize it. We are a very good team, blessed with an amazing QB/Head Coach combination. We have a bad defense (just look at the numbers, for goodness' sake), but luckily our offense is good enough to keep us in the game.
People who have strong opinions different from the previous paragraph are probably extremists or trolls or noobs or in denial.
These types of threads have come up too much. If you don't want to read people poring over problems, then stop coming here and stick with Facebook. The Patriots do press releases there that are invariably positive. Even after losing Super Bowls.
Haters? No, I wouldn't term y'all haters. I think most of you want the team to win and don't like that they aren't winning enough or convincingly enough. Count me as one of those who grit my teeth watching the defense continually give up a lot of yards.
Yet when you (plural) see that deficiency of winning especially convincingly and/or dominantly, the responses are sometimes way over the top for the reality, lacking some basic logic and -- as the OP was getting at -- lack perspective. While the perspective was spelled out pretty clearly by RayC and AJ and others, I'd also put it this way: 75% of the team fans in the league will see the Patriots play and win most of the time. They'll then read posts from you (plural). I think they would accurately conclude you are a spoiled, impulsive bunch.
Hey, you gotta write what you gotta write and this is a forum for letting it fly no matter what POV you are coming from. Yet, imho, you'd be well served to temper it with that perspective (and that does not or should not equal just being a rah rah guy).
I painted a broad brush for a whole group of posters. I readily admit you (singular) and others may not be as extreme (if very much at all) as some others. Again, I'm speaking broadly about a large group of posters that the OP was calling out....
When the Patriots were having linebacker issues, you were little or no different than the people you're complaining about now. You're being hypocritical with this.
We weren't drafting linebakers then, were we? As i recall we couldn't draft linebackers because we only converted defensive ends into linebackers, so we had to wait until we acquired enough lower round defensive ends. The conversion was so uncertain, we couldn't waste a top pick on a LB.
Apparently that theory changed since then. They've drafted three players in the first two rounds, who were linebackers in college and they are all starting at linebacker now.
Are you saying i was right?
Personally, I don't have problems with griping—so long as:
A) That's not all someone's doing. There are a few posters here who seem to be almost exclusively negative: if they're posting, it's to complain about a player, or how the team is going to lose, etc. I'm not saying people have to write posts they don't believe, but would it kill them, if instead of writing 20 posts on how awful the secondary is, they write 18 posts on how awful the secondary is, and 2 posts on something positive about the team?
(B) It's at least somewhat based in fact. If it's just based on irrational hatred (see: NEM), hello ignore button.
You were wrong. You eventually admitted you were wrong. We're not going over this again. The point here is that you were just as bad about that as the people you're complaining about now are being about the secondary. You're being a hypocrite.
90% of patriot fans love the offense and it's players......The defense is what's pissing off most fans.
You can't tell me these haven't been the most frustrating years of watching the defense....It feels at times the defense can't stop anything.
Mark sanchez torching the defense was my tipping point.
This "perfection cancer" theory and whining about "spoiled" fans is BS.
I frankly worry more about the people that would ignore all problems and just whistle in the dark. The cancer of complacence. Which do you think BB has? Is he a perfectionist, or does he ignore problems? Which are you in life? I know what I am, and I use the same standards on my football team even though I know no human can ever meet them.
BB doesn't put the film in the can for wins. He pores over it to find places to improve. Why shouldn't we? Sure sometimes it goes overboard, just as the people wearing rose-colored glasses can go overboard with their praise of the Patriots, praise that would make you think we have no weaknesses despite having loss a third of our games so far.
The truth is probably in the mean somewhere, and most of us realize it. We are a very good team, blessed with an amazing QB/Head Coach combination. We have a bad defense (just look at the numbers, for goodness' sake), but luckily our offense is good enough to keep us in the game.
People who have strong opinions different from the previous paragraph are probably extremists or trolls or noobs or in denial.
These types of threads have come up too much. If you don't want to read people poring over problems, then stop coming here and stick with Facebook. The Patriots do press releases there that are invariably positive. Even after losing Super Bowls.
This post sums it up for me.
Most of the complainers justify it in this way, acting as if what they think, feel or say will make any kind of a difference.
This post introduces complacency to the discussion, as if it would be a crime for a fan to take an approach that could be considered complacent, since somehow that would cause the team to be complacent, or even encourage it.
There is even a parallel drawn to this being a terrible approach because surely BB isn't being complacent.
I guess this is the epitome of what I find so frustrating on this board. People actually act as if their demanding 'championship caliber' postings will make the team better and someone who takes a positive approach has just doomed the team to ignore its problems.
Everyone has the right to post however they want, within the guidelines, just as everyone has the right to sound like an idiot.
In my opinion, 'discussing' negatives is healthy, but whining about them incessantly comes off as foolish. When the big picture is as good as there is to make sweepingly negative judgmental statements makes you look ignorant.
Couching the whining by pretending that doing so has any effect whatsoever on the team and the issues makes such posts unreadable.
That is my 2 cents.