East-West Shrine Bowl Coaching Roster - Shrine Bowl Updates

[Jim Beankie]

We look at someone like Ja'marr Chase with 22 drops (8.4%) and Deebo with 19 drops (~9%) over the last 2 years, and I wonder how much Pats fans would care if they produced. I mean Edelman had 13 (8.5%) in '19, but that's part of the reason why Pats were one and done in the playoffs.

Agholor had 4 drops over the last 2 years (~3.5%), and Pats fans seem to have the impression he can't catch anything.

I'm not sure I have a point here. Just thanks for the info.

Flowers must improve his drops to prove his reliability to an NFL coaching staff. He has been charged with 24 drops over his career at BC with an 11% drop rate. As we have seen, no matter how talented a wide receiver is, dropping passes will not be tolerated. Flowers faces a high amount of off-coverage and free releases. This leaves a lot to be imagined regarding his release package.

 

[Ross12]

Mike Reiss gave an update yesterday:

Here are the Shrine coaching assignments, which are designed to help coaches grow beyond their usual positions:

• Head coach: Troy Brown
• Offensive coordinator: Ross Douglas
• QBs: Douglas
• OL: Vinnie Sunseri
• RB: Evan Rothstein
• WR: Brown
• Defensive coordinator: Mike Pellegrino/Brian Belichick
• DL: Pellegrino
• LB: Belichick
• DB: V’Angelo Bentley
• Assistant DL: Keith Jones (Bill Walsh fellowship/Arkansas State)
• Special teams: Joe Houston
• Strength & conditioning: Deron Mayo

Ref: 'I'm practically living the dream': Patriots' Bailey Zappe preps for Year 2 after solid rookie season

Interesting, Sunseri was listed as WRs previously but now OL. Ross Douglas OC and QBs. Joe Houston at ST, no more Achord? Or is Achord still a "supervisor"?

 

[Ross12]

Troy Brown stepping up:

It's too bad a team can't send their coaches onto the field if they lose all of their position players due to injury. Troy could still suit up.

 

[Boomer B]

Gotta know, what's in the backpack?

After practice he’s grabbing the skateboard and heading to the town square to catch a movie

 

[PatsFan2]

We look at someone like Ja'marr Chase with 22 drops (8.4%) and Deebo with 19 drops (~9%) over the last 2 years, and I wonder how much Pats fans would care if they produced. I mean Edelman had 13 (8.5%) in '19, but that's part of the reason why Pats were one and done in the playoffs.

Agholor had 4 drops over the last 2 years (~3.5%), and Pats fans seem to have the impression he can't catch anything.

I'm not sure I have a point here. Just thanks for the info.

Yeah I don't gi

 

[PatsFan2]

We look at someone like Ja'marr Chase with 22 drops (8.4%) and Deebo with 19 drops (~9%) over the last 2 years, and I wonder how much Pats fans would care if they produced. I mean Edelman had 13 (8.5%) in '19, but that's part of the reason why Pats were one and done in the playoffs.

Agholor had 4 drops over the last 2 years (~3.5%), and Pats fans seem to have the impression he can't catch anything.

I'm not sure I have a point here. Just thanks for the info.

Any Rookie WR would be a #1 here.

 

[PatsFan2]

We look at someone like Ja'marr Chase with 22 drops (8.4%) and Deebo with 19 drops (~9%) over the last 2 years, and I wonder how much Pats fans would care if they produced. I mean Edelman had 13 (8.5%) in '19, but that's part of the reason why Pats were one and done in the playoffs.

Agholor had 4 drops over the last 2 years (~3.5%), and Pats fans seem to have the impression he can't catch anything.

I'm not sure I have a point here. Just thanks for the info.

This 2023 FA WR class leaves a lot to be desired. I hope the Pats have their eyes on no one except Meyers at least they know what they are getting. That said I am hoping for a Double dip @WR. A young TE with Potential would be nice too.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

This is not a huge surprise given our roster. I assume we’d be looking at 2nd to 4th round range.



Of course, then they also add this:

 

[ralmat55]

Mike Reiss gave an update yesterday:

Here are the Shrine coaching assignments, which are designed to help coaches grow beyond their usual positions:

• Head coach: Troy Brown
• Offensive coordinator: Ross Douglas
• QBs: Douglas
• OL: Vinnie Sunseri
• RB: Evan Rothstein
• WR: Brown
• Defensive coordinator: Mike Pellegrino/Brian Belichick
• DL: Pellegrino
• LB: Belichick
• DB: V’Angelo Bentley
• Assistant DL: Keith Jones (Bill Walsh fellowship/Arkansas State)
• Special teams: Joe Houston
• Strength & conditioning: Deron Mayo

Ref: 'I'm practically living the dream': Patriots' Bailey Zappe preps for Year 2 after solid rookie season

Where’s Billy Yates?

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

We look at someone like Ja'marr Chase with 22 drops (8.4%) and Deebo with 19 drops (~9%) over the last 2 years, and I wonder how much Pats fans would care if they produced. I mean Edelman had 13 (8.5%) in '19, but that's part of the reason why Pats were one and done in the playoffs.

Agholor had 4 drops over the last 2 years (~3.5%), and Pats fans seem to have the impression he can't catch anything.

I'm not sure I have a point here. Just thanks for the info.

I'm come to not care about drops if a WR is a producer. It just doesn't bother me.

This is not a huge surprise given our roster. I assume we’d be looking at 2nd to 4th round range.



Of course, then they also add this:

Nope, not at all. With OB back I'm expecting a quicker slot and scat back brought in.

 

[jays52]

This is not a huge surprise given our roster. I assume we’d be looking at 2nd to 4th round range.



Of course, then they also add this:

Great year for scat backs, too. Gibbs, Achane, etc...

 

[mike_usagisan]

Great year for scat backs, too. Gibbs, Achane, etc...

How's their blocking? Isn't that the concern with 3rd down backs?

 

[DaBruinz]

Interesting, Sunseri was listed as WRs previously but now OL. Ross Douglas OC and QBs. Joe Houston at ST, no more Achord? Or is Achord still a "supervisor"?

Supervisors aren't listed.

 

[jays52]

How's their blocking? Isn't that the concern with 3rd down backs?

Always is. Why the Patriots usually don't play rookies in that spot. Generally all you can look for is willingness and project from there.

 

[DaBruinz]

Always is. Why the Patriots usually don't play rookies in that spot. Generally all you can look for is willingness and project from there.

I remember Sony Michel making a huge block down the stretch on a 3rd down play.. It was pivotal in the Pats winning the game.

 

[Sciz]

It’s fascinating to hear Brian at work

 

[Patsgofor4]

Patriots reportedly ‘enamored’ with 2 defensive prospects at the Shrine Bowl

Patriots are getting close look at the Shrine Bowl in Las Vegas. They reportedly like a handful of prospects.

www.masslive.com

Lol.
Mark Daniels, on the other hand, was evidently not an expectational student.

 

[raduray]

We look at someone like Ja'marr Chase with 22 drops (8.4%) and Deebo with 19 drops (~9%) over the last 2 years, and I wonder how much Pats fans would care if they produced. I mean Edelman had 13 (8.5%) in '19, but that's part of the reason why Pats were one and done in the playoffs.

Agholor had 4 drops over the last 2 years (~3.5%), and Pats fans seem to have the impression he can't catch anything.

I'm not sure I have a point here. Just thanks for the info.

There's a number of other factors that have to be considered. Like the number of targets, which is a partly a function of getting open. Factor in QB and OL play as well.

 

[venecol]

It’s fascinating to hear Brian at work

I would love to see Rothstein mic'd up working with the RBs.

This is the dude that was Patricia's assistant and is basically a footbal nerd. He'd never been a FT position coach and in 2020 when the DET HC, OC & DC all got covid, Rothstein was selected to be the defensive play caller when they faced the Bucs. Brady put up 348 yds / 4 TDs w/ a perfect 158.3 rating. Then Gabbert added 143 yds and 2 TDs. Bucs put up 588 total yards and routed the Lions 47-7. Lol

Fat Matt talked Belichick into bringing this dude onto the team, supposedly to take Ernie's old role. Now he's coaching RBs? Then there's this little nugget from Bedard.

“So, I was told this the other day, and I don’t know it 100% fact. It’s tough to get information out of there. But I heard that Evan Rothstein, who is Matt Patricia’s nerd from Detroit who has never coached a position, college or the NFL, is spearheading the pass-game concepts for the Patriots,” Bedard said.

“(This) is interesting,” Bedard said, “because in Detroit, he was on the defensive side with Matt, which is Matt’s expertise. Even there’s a quote from the Detroit Free Press where Darrell Bevell, the offensive coordinator, is talking about, ‘(Rothstein) is our most knowledgeable in terms of our defense and what we’re really doing all the way across the board.’

“And now this is another example of, well, good coaches, smart minds. Even though the area where he has the most expertise is defense, all of a sudden this year it’s OK for him to switch over to offense and design the pass concepts for Matt Patricia, which have worked really, really well.”

Sometimes I wonder if FM is a Svengali-type of character whispering in Belichick's ear.

Is This Unknown Assistant Designing Patriots' Passing Game?

Matt Patricia has received harsh criticism for his handling of the Patriots' offense this season. Perhaps one of his lieutenants should, too.

nesn.com

 

[jays52]

It’s fascinating to hear Brian at work

Bill’s kids are good coaches. While the nepotism does glare it is readily evident his kids are good for real.